Brutal , why do we allow redbooda to keep holding up draft after draft after draft.

Posted by oddson on 9/27/2025 10:30:00 PM (view original):
Brutal , why do we allow redbooda to keep holding up draft after draft after draft.

When this happens, the player should not be allowed to play in any more draft leagues unless they share their cell # with the Commissioner so that they can communicate via text.

Also, let every Commissioner know that if any owner goes AWOL or gets their feelings hurt because they get called out on being slow and decides to quit that I will 100% pay for and take over coaching that person's team no matter how crappy that team is.

I've wrestled with this for ohhh about THIRTY seasons of DDL. chewy is now finding out, there is no easy answer. This league does not fill as well as OODL or funk 52 or savage, and we wait each season for 3-4 weeks once the sign up list is posted. For some reason, many reg owners like robusk, ben Hoidal, jcred and others have never warmed to it (I think many never liked ME for some reason but maybe thas just a persecution complex). Anyways, it is tough to fill, so booda keeps getting a spot. If each of you brought along a friend and made it easier to fill, we could nicely let booda know he is not wanted. But it is hard to do that now. Also, if a commish has the balls to do that like I did with cmac, you make an ememy who will NEVER rejoin the league. Maybe sometimes that is what's needed. cem has been better this draft, so maybe booda will be better next time if he knows how much his slowness bothers everyone. And let's not forget the possibility of something terrible might have happned to him. Anyways, I sent a proxy list for both my picks tomorrow to:

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It isn’t strange that he didn’t draft all day, but it is strange that he hasn’t drafted in the middle of the night…..yet. I hope he is okay.

I am going to start the signups for DDL46 soon after this draft and the years of what we traditionally call decades is changing. We are going to use 85/86 - 00/01. Also, I keep track of how long it takes people to pick. I have years worth of data. If we get more than 24 signups, I will discreetly inform the slowest that they have been relegated, and so forth if we get that many additional signups. But we usually struggle to fill this but I am hopeful that the quality of a draft product that I run is good enough to attract additional users.

Imagine if everyone drafted exactly when their time slot came up...To the minute... so that picks were being made on the dot every 30 minutes like clockwork throughout the draft day. We would never be ahead of the draft schedule would we? And yet, we would be progressing exactly according to the posted draft schedule. And if someone missed their slot they would be skipped and we would still be exactly on schedule. It seems people are upset that we're only a couple hours ahead of the posted draft schedule when we had been up to 10 hours (or more) ahead...as if there's some expectation that drafts should only ever get more and more ahead of schedule as we progress into later rounds. The draft schedule should set your expectations of when people are expected to draft....not the fluctuations in how far ahead of the schedule we are. It's not fair to say that someone is an undesirable because they lost some of the hours we were ahead of the schedule, when we are, in fact, still ahead of the schedule. If you're upset that we're not finishing more ahead of schedule than we once were, then the way to solve that is to adjust the schedule.

If you want the draft to finish ahead of the current schedule, then there are a couple of ways to do that organizationally. One way is to set a more aggressive draft schedule from the beginning. For example, when you set up the draft let everyone know we'll be drafting with 15 min intervals instead of 30 min intervals. We'll finish in half the time, and people who miss their slot will be skipped as always. Or use some other posted schedule that you prefer that gets the draft done faster. But I think people like the 30 min draft schedule.

Another possible way to do that, and the one I would recommend, is to establish a rule that if we ever get more than 24 hours ahead of the posted draft schedule, then the commissioner will adjust the future draft rounds timeline up by a day to "lock in" the ground that was gained and send a SM notifying all owners that the rule was exercised and the draft schedule for future rounds has now moved up a day. It's easy to adjust the dates on the schedule and keep the time slot assignments the same. As long as it's communicated ahead of time in the rules so that all owners are aware that this can and will happen if we ever get that far ahead, and it's not an arbitrary adjusting of the schedule, then everyone should be happier. Just a suggestion for next draft.

But the rules of the league and the draft schedule sets the expectations of how and when people should draft, not how far ahead of the draft schedule we could have been or you think we should be by this time in the draft. (Although I do like the idea of relegating the slowest pickers as well as antagonists if we ever get back to the point where we have a waiting list of owners for the DDL. And yes, people should use proxies more and be more connected to be courteous to the other owners in the draft, but there's no law against not using proxies)

Posted by pexetera on 9/28/2025 8:48:00 AM (view original):
Imagine if everyone drafted exactly when their time slot came up...To the minute... so that picks were being made on the dot every 30 minutes like clockwork throughout the draft day. We would never be ahead of the draft schedule would we? And yet, we would be progressing exactly according to the posted draft schedule. And if someone missed their slot they would be skipped and we would still be exactly on schedule. It seems people are upset that we're only a couple hours ahead of the posted draft schedule when we had been up to 10 hours (or more) ahead...as if there's some expectation that drafts should only ever get more and more ahead of schedule as we progress into later rounds. The draft schedule should set your expectations of when people are expected to draft....not the fluctuations in how far ahead of the schedule we are. It's not fair to say that someone is an undesirable because they lost some of the hours we were ahead of the schedule, when we are, in fact, still ahead of the schedule. If you're upset that we're not finishing more ahead of schedule than we once were, then the way to solve that is to adjust the schedule.

If you want the draft to finish ahead of the current schedule, then there are a couple of ways to do that organizationally. One way is to set a more aggressive draft schedule from the beginning. For example, when you set up the draft let everyone know we'll be drafting with 15 min intervals instead of 30 min intervals. We'll finish in half the time, and people who miss their slot will be skipped as always. Or use some other posted schedule that you prefer that gets the draft done faster. But I think people like the 30 min draft schedule.

Another possible way to do that, and the one I would recommend, is to establish a rule that if we ever get more than 24 hours ahead of the posted draft schedule, then the commissioner will adjust the future draft rounds timeline up by a day to "lock in" the ground that was gained and send a SM notifying all owners that the rule was exercised and the draft schedule for future rounds has now moved up a day. It's easy to adjust the dates on the schedule and keep the time slot assignments the same. As long as it's communicated ahead of time in the rules so that all owners are aware that this can and will happen if we ever get that far ahead, and it's not an arbitrary adjusting of the schedule, then everyone should be happier. Just a suggestion for next draft.

But the rules of the league and the draft schedule sets the expectations of how and when people should draft, not how far ahead of the draft schedule we could have been or you think we should be by this time in the draft. (Although I do like the idea of relegating the slowest pickers as well as antagonists if we ever get back to the point where we have a waiting list of owners for the DDL. And yes, people should use proxies more and be more connected to be courteous to the other owners in the draft, but there's no law against not using proxies)

Well said.

The draft is designed to, and does, finish on time. Talk of owners causing "delays" during the draft is just not accurate because of how the draft is constructed. The only true delay would be at the end of the draft when an owner fails to get his team into the league within a reasonable time which is more egregious because we're talking days rather than a few hours. The league is already hard to fill. I don't consider myself one of them, but some owners play here because the schedule is not as intense as some of the other leagues. Pushing this issue further could put it in real jeopardy.

Posted by chewy3344 on 9/28/2025 7:07:00 AM (view original):
I am going to start the signups for DDL46 soon after this draft and the years of what we traditionally call decades is changing. We are going to use 85/86 - 00/01. Also, I keep track of how long it takes people to pick. I have years worth of data. If we get more than 24 signups, I will discreetly inform the slowest that they have been relegated, and so forth if we get that many additional signups. But we usually struggle to fill this but I am hopeful that the quality of a draft product that I run is good enough to attract additional users.

Is 85-86 to 00/01 correct, because that's 16 seasons, not 10. Shouldn't it be 85-86 to 94-95?

Posted by TheRebel on 9/28/2025 10:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by chewy3344 on 9/28/2025 7:07:00 AM (view original):
I am going to start the signups for DDL46 soon after this draft and the years of what we traditionally call decades is changing. We are going to use 85/86 - 00/01. Also, I keep track of how long it takes people to pick. I have years worth of data. If we get more than 24 signups, I will discreetly inform the slowest that they have been relegated, and so forth if we get that many additional signups. But we usually struggle to fill this but I am hopeful that the quality of a draft product that I run is good enough to attract additional users.

Is 85-86 to 00/01 correct, because that's 16 seasons, not 10. Shouldn't it be 85-86 to 94-95?

I think that’s what “the years of what we traditionally call decades is changing” was referring to. I’m all for it, but maybe we should call them eras?

I’m in favor of in some cases drafting from 12 or 15 year time spans, just to get a little more talent into the league. I think it’s pretty bad when there isn’t enough talent in the league to draft 12 players.

Kurt Rambis

Edgar Jones

Amerk sent me 4 proxy messages (?) but I think they’re all the same. His proxy is Doug Collins

Posted by thomcat on 9/28/2025 10:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by pexetera on 9/28/2025 8:48:00 AM (view original):
Imagine if everyone drafted exactly when their time slot came up...To the minute... so that picks were being made on the dot every 30 minutes like clockwork throughout the draft day. We would never be ahead of the draft schedule would we? And yet, we would be progressing exactly according to the posted draft schedule. And if someone missed their slot they would be skipped and we would still be exactly on schedule. It seems people are upset that we're only a couple hours ahead of the posted draft schedule when we had been up to 10 hours (or more) ahead...as if there's some expectation that drafts should only ever get more and more ahead of schedule as we progress into later rounds. The draft schedule should set your expectations of when people are expected to draft....not the fluctuations in how far ahead of the schedule we are. It's not fair to say that someone is an undesirable because they lost some of the hours we were ahead of the schedule, when we are, in fact, still ahead of the schedule. If you're upset that we're not finishing more ahead of schedule than we once were, then the way to solve that is to adjust the schedule.

If you want the draft to finish ahead of the current schedule, then there are a couple of ways to do that organizationally. One way is to set a more aggressive draft schedule from the beginning. For example, when you set up the draft let everyone know we'll be drafting with 15 min intervals instead of 30 min intervals. We'll finish in half the time, and people who miss their slot will be skipped as always. Or use some other posted schedule that you prefer that gets the draft done faster. But I think people like the 30 min draft schedule.

Another possible way to do that, and the one I would recommend, is to establish a rule that if we ever get more than 24 hours ahead of the posted draft schedule, then the commissioner will adjust the future draft rounds timeline up by a day to "lock in" the ground that was gained and send a SM notifying all owners that the rule was exercised and the draft schedule for future rounds has now moved up a day. It's easy to adjust the dates on the schedule and keep the time slot assignments the same. As long as it's communicated ahead of time in the rules so that all owners are aware that this can and will happen if we ever get that far ahead, and it's not an arbitrary adjusting of the schedule, then everyone should be happier. Just a suggestion for next draft.

But the rules of the league and the draft schedule sets the expectations of how and when people should draft, not how far ahead of the draft schedule we could have been or you think we should be by this time in the draft. (Although I do like the idea of relegating the slowest pickers as well as antagonists if we ever get back to the point where we have a waiting list of owners for the DDL. And yes, people should use proxies more and be more connected to be courteous to the other owners in the draft, but there's no law against not using proxies)

Well said.

The draft is designed to, and does, finish on time. Talk of owners causing "delays" during the draft is just not accurate because of how the draft is constructed. The only true delay would be at the end of the draft when an owner fails to get his team into the league within a reasonable time which is more egregious because we're talking days rather than a few hours. The league is already hard to fill. I don't consider myself one of them, but some owners play here because the schedule is not as intense as some of the other leagues. Pushing this issue further could put it in real jeopardy.

Yes, well said.

Just make your f-ing pick after the guy b4 you makes theirs asap. We have the same 3 or 4 people that slow everything down every single draft (HDS1..you are one of them). They just need to pay better attention and all would be fine. We all know who they are. Also, whomever has the 1st or 24th pick should be prepared, they have had more time than anyone to research their next picks. Drafts tend to flow better when the owners on the turn don't take 4 hours to make their picks.

The clock is just there for slow pokes so that we have a guideline for how slow pokes can be skipped instead of waiting 3 days for someone to make a pick. It's not mean't to be a true schedule.

(If we are talking solutions---have every owner give me their cell#. The draft will go really fast. :))