Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 12:00:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 11:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 10:57:00 AM (view original):
What ended up being the consensus on that trade in DM by the way?

Which one?

Where the dude is trading a perennial MVP candidate...

That player looks good, but it seems his overall is better than his peripherals. He'll be a third baseman. He's got projected contact at 100 for me, probably high 90's when it's over. His power could touch the 70's, and his splits could hit the 80's. That's all great, and it's comparable to one of the top picks each year, but I guess it sounds like people are more enamored with him than I am. He's probably an all-star and a batting champ, but I thought the guy I traded for was better, actually.

That guy should have gotten even more out of that deal. He needn't have included an extra player himself and could have gotten more value in return. The one guy is just an inflated overall rating. The pitcher isn't more than a fifth starter at best. Just not a good return.

Posted by moy23 on 7/2/2010 12:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 10:34:00 AM (view original):
Yeah.  If they opt out it happens at rollover.

And you are one of the worst managers of talent I have ever seen in HBD.  Solid at acquiring talent, but your teams always underachieve and your players never peak properly and fall off too quickly.

heh - that HR WS 3 seasons ago must have been painfull for you to watch.

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 10:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 10:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 10:34:00 AM (view original):
Yeah.  If they opt out it happens at rollover.

And you are one of the worst managers of talent I have ever seen in HBD.  Solid at acquiring talent, but your teams always underachieve and your players never peak properly and fall off too quickly.

It's because the low training and medical budgets, mixed with the rapid promotions. Guys just don't get a change to improve much. It's a reason I'm always hesitant to trade for anyone from moy who has been in that system for two or more seasons.

Exactly

Posted by moy23 on 7/2/2010 12:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 10:34:00 AM (view original):
Yeah.  If they opt out it happens at rollover.

And you are one of the worst managers of talent I have ever seen in HBD.  Solid at acquiring talent, but your teams always underachieve and your players never peak properly and fall off too quickly.

heh - that HR WS 3 seasons ago must have been painfull for you to watch.

I don't know much soccer, but usually if someone asks me who I think will win the World Cup, I've always said the Dutch. Going back like 12 years, too. Not sure why. I think I liked their orange uniforms in an old FIFA game on Sega. If it turns out I got lucky, I might not be able to pretend I knew what I was talking about.

Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 11:42:00 AM (view original):
What do you guys think about amateur scouting by the way?  In my mind, there are only four options that make sense:
20 in both
20 in college, 0 in HS
0 in college, 20 in HS
0 in both

anything in between is a waste, but unfortunately you can't really fully transition a budget without doing it in $4m increments.

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 12:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 7/2/2010 12:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 10:34:00 AM (view original):
Yeah.  If they opt out it happens at rollover.

And you are one of the worst managers of talent I have ever seen in HBD.  Solid at acquiring talent, but your teams always underachieve and your players never peak properly and fall off too quickly.

heh - that HR WS 3 seasons ago must have been painfull for you to watch.

Meh.  The thing about playoffs is that they are a partial crapshoot.  The managers who are smart continually put themselves within a pretty good shot of winning one...  but they don't necessarily win them for whatever reason.

With the talent you had/have, you should have been knocking out dherz en route to a WS 3-4 times by now...  except that you ruin every player you touch and have thus not been a position to win anymore.

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 12:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 11:42:00 AM (view original):
What do you guys think about amateur scouting by the way?  In my mind, there are only four options that make sense:
20 in both
20 in college, 0 in HS
0 in college, 20 in HS
0 in both

anything in between is a waste, but unfortunately you can't really fully transition a budget without doing it in $4m increments.

Right...  I am transitioning right now in a couple of worlds I think.

But it should always be the goal.

I'd been pushing it on bret for many seasons now. Especially for teams who rely on the draft to add players.

Hell, I tend to pick up free agents with one year contracts just for the sake of getting a pick for them next year.

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 11:42:00 AM (view original):
What do you guys think about amateur scouting by the way?  In my mind, there are only four options that make sense:
20 in both
20 in college, 0 in HS
0 in college, 20 in HS
0 in both

Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 12:09:00 PM (view original):

I don't know much soccer, but usually if someone asks me who I think will win the World Cup, I've always said the Dutch. Going back like 12 years, too. Not sure why. I think I liked their orange uniforms in an old FIFA game on Sega. If it turns out I got lucky, I might not be able to pretend I knew what I was talking about.

Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 12:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 11:42:00 AM (view original):
What do you guys think about amateur scouting by the way?  In my mind, there are only four options that make sense:
20 in both
20 in college, 0 in HS
0 in college, 20 in HS
0 in both

anything in between is a waste, but unfortunately you can't really fully transition a budget without doing it in $4m increments.

Right...  I am transitioning right now in a couple of worlds I think.

But it should always be the goal.

I'd been pushing it on bret for many seasons now. Especially for teams who rely on the draft to add players.

Hell, I tend to pick up free agents with one year contracts just for the sake of getting a pick for them next year.

Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 12:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 12:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 7/2/2010 12:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 10:34:00 AM (view original):
Yeah.  If they opt out it happens at rollover.

And you are one of the worst managers of talent I have ever seen in HBD.  Solid at acquiring talent, but your teams always underachieve and your players never peak properly and fall off too quickly.

heh - that HR WS 3 seasons ago must have been painfull for you to watch.

Meh.  The thing about playoffs is that they are a partial crapshoot.  The managers who are smart continually put themselves within a pretty good shot of winning one...  but they don't necessarily win them for whatever reason.

With the talent you had/have, you should have been knocking out dherz en route to a WS 3-4 times by now...  except that you ruin every player you touch and have thus not been a position to win anymore.

The biggest problem are two rounds of five, which leave a lot more than usual up to luck and can lead to good teams being eliminated a little easier. I think once you reach the championship series, it's a different game.

Posted by dherz_263 on 7/2/2010 12:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 7/2/2010 12:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 10:34:00 AM (view original):
Yeah.  If they opt out it happens at rollover.

And you are one of the worst managers of talent I have ever seen in HBD.  Solid at acquiring talent, but your teams always underachieve and your players never peak properly and fall off too quickly.

heh - that HR WS 3 seasons ago must have been painfull for you to watch.

Why would seeing the Detroit Wing Conspiracy win a title be painful for Robusk?  I beat him fair and square in the ALCS

Posted by dherz_263 on 7/2/2010 12:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 12:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 11:42:00 AM (view original):
What do you guys think about amateur scouting by the way?  In my mind, there are only four options that make sense:
20 in both
20 in college, 0 in HS
0 in college, 20 in HS
0 in both

anything in between is a waste, but unfortunately you can't really fully transition a budget without doing it in $4m increments.

Right...  I am transitioning right now in a couple of worlds I think.

But it should always be the goal.

I'd been pushing it on bret for many seasons now. Especially for teams who rely on the draft to add players.

Hell, I tend to pick up free agents with one year contracts just for the sake of getting a pick for them next year.

This is the model I'll be using more and more in $.  Is 20/20 that much better than 18/18?

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 12:06:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by r0b0t on 7/2/2010 11:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/2/2010 10:57:00 AM (view original):
What ended up being the consensus on that trade in DM by the way?

Which one?

Where the dude is trading a perennial MVP candidate...

That player looks good, but it seems his overall is better than his peripherals. He'll be a third baseman. He's got projected contact at 100 for me, probably high 90's when it's over. His power could touch the 70's, and his splits could hit the 80's. That's all great, and it's comparable to one of the top picks each year, but I guess it sounds like people are more enamored with him than I am. He's probably an all-star and a batting champ, but I thought the guy I traded for was better, actually.

That guy should have gotten even more out of that deal. He needn't have included an extra player himself and could have gotten more value in return. The one guy is just an inflated overall rating. The pitcher isn't more than a fifth starter at best. Just not a good return.

Yeah.  I agree with all of that assessment except for I saw the guy as having 87 power (although my ADV scouting sucks, I was thinking it had to be close given how much he was purchased for in the IFA market).  Based on the

88

87

85

99

81

 I saw, he looked pretty f'ing sexy..  especially with a good makeup.

He is a tard.  It really is less of an issue to me that someone made a stupid trade...  it happens all the time and I myself have tried to talk people into doing it before (obvi.).  However, I just think it should be a pretty standard rule that people should not be trading players above a certain skill level in their first season...  no matter what sort of haul they think they are getting.