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Posted by laramiebob on 11/21/2017 9:17:00 AM (view original):
I don't think you have any choice. In the USA we have basic freedoms for all. It includes the freedom to worship as you please. It ALSO includes living the way of life you choose (as long as you don't violate our laws). Your ONLY choice, as I understand it, is to somehow try to separate yourselves from those you fear. Find an enclave you like. But even that doesn't usually work as your kids will likely be attracted to what you fear and forbid and marry into the Islamic faith. Seems to be the way the Creator set things up. He/She must have had an ironic sense of humor. I created them daggone it.......... now let's have a little fun and make it a tad complex for them. Make em face whatever it is they don't want to face up to. It'll be good for 'em........ :-)

I don't want this in America! And no chance of my kids doing that. LOL in Islam women are oppressed and I have two daughters and they are 1/2 Jewish. Oh and I don't fear them but I am aware of their beliefs and how disparate they are from mine.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3001087/sharia-law-uk-muslims-islamic-legal-system/

Boris....... I already told you........ it doesn't matter what YOU want. You live by the same Constitutional (rule) system the rest of us do. You don't get to change it because you "...don't want this in America!". It was law long before you were born. Lastly, take it from a Dad........there IS a "chance" your kids will do just that!

You are correct but I get one vote and I vote for Trump and his ban.

Most people affected by the ban will not have done anything wrong except be Muslim. Sounds like a violation of freedom of religion to me, Boris.

Is Fascism a religion? I equate Islam to Fascism not Christianity.

Are you Jewish or Christian? You seem confused. Please name one predominantly Muslim country that is not a complete economic or social sh*t hole? Just one. I patiently wait your response and your reasoning. And by social sh*t hole I mean where they treat women as equals and don't kill people for being gay or for apostasy and don't make women wear astronaut looking suits.

UAE, Albania, Malaysia, Morocco, Tunisia seem to have above-average human rights.

I am Jewish in heritage, and Christian in religion. pretty simple.

Islam is a religion, not a political ideology, dumbass.

Ha ha ha --- Judaism is a religion. Nice try.

UAE: Illegal to be gay and it is a capital offense
Albania: Albania has twice as many churches as mosques. A former communist country it is :"Muslim" in name only. It was also rejected from joining the EU due to political corruption
Malaysia: The country is especially well known for arresting persons without warrants and detaining them indefinitely without trial, and for placing strict limitations on freedom of speech, press, assembly, and association in the name of social order. Among the other problems cited in a US State Department report in 2011 are the abuse and even death of persons held by police; punishment by caning; trafficking in persons; systematic official prejudice in favor of ethnic Malays; forced labour by migrant workers and others; and child labor on plantations.
Morocco & Tunisia: In the report, Morocco was considered, along with Tunisia, as the country which "sentences the most journalists to prison in the Arab world". ... According to Human Rights Watch annual report 2016, Moroccan authorities restricted the rights to peaceful expression, association and assembly through several laws.


You have proven yourself to be a liar and a leftist moron. You cannot be a Jew and a Christian at the same time.

Yeah, you can. Jesus was a Jew and a Christian. Anyone in Abraham/Jesus's bloodline is Jewish. By heritage. It's a bloodline. It can also be a religion. I am CHRISTIAN IN RELIGION but also Jewish in bloodline. MUSLIMS DO NOT HAVE A BLOODLINE. IT IS A RELIGION. If you knew anything about the history of the Jewish race, you would know that.

Looks like Morocco, Albania, Malaysia, and Tunisia fit your category of not being a 'social sh*thole'. I quote: "by social sh*t hole I mean where they treat women as equals and don't kill people for being gay or for apostasy and don't make women wear astronaut looking suits." I don't see that in your response. Thanks for playing, Boris.

Muslims are through Ismael's bloodline.

That's a heritage, but are they muslims?

If true then I did not know that.

You idiot the countries you listed are abhorrent when it comes to human rights and or are economic disasters did I really need to be more specific? Not ONE mostly Islamic country is both economically sound and fair in terms of social issues? Just one,name it, do it. I'll wait. You tangplay are an idiot. Those countries ARE social **** holes since they support slavery and or human traffic. Not to mention that economically Albania is a disaster.

Keep trying tangplay. Keep trying. Lying Leftist. Islam has become a plague and Europe is infected. I don't want it here.

This, my friends, is what we call paranoid. Guess what: There are countries and practices not like our own! I don't have to like it, you don't have to like it, but tolerate it. I am not a Muslim, I don't know much about their practices. But there are plenty of Muslims who are not extreme that should be allowed into the country.

On what's grounds should they be allowed? I'm not asking because of there religion. I am asking how do we determine who is allowed in?

Posted by all3 on 11/22/2017 5:09:00 PM (view original):
"But there are plenty of Muslims who are not extreme that should be allowed into the country."

Why? Why should Muslims, or anybody else, be allowed to come live in this Country? There aren't too many people here already?

Sure, this Country was once the "melting pot" of the World, but isn't it pretty hypocritical that mostly the same people who want to change everything else about this Country want to continue that?

Because it is a part of what makes the United States special. It is our identity. Come here and accomplish rags to riches. Going against that betrays the very ideals that this country stands on.

I will ask one more time to any and all posters. Name ONE mostly Islamic country that fits ALL three of the criteria below:

• Politically stable
• Socially progressive
• Economically viable

Just one. I can name many countries that are NOT mostly Islamic that fit that criteria: USA, Israel, most of Europe, Australia, Japan, Singapore, etc.

I patiently await your responses.

Thank you

Posted by tangplay on 11/22/2017 7:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/22/2017 5:09:00 PM (view original):
"But there are plenty of Muslims who are not extreme that should be allowed into the country."

Why? Why should Muslims, or anybody else, be allowed to come live in this Country? There aren't too many people here already?

Sure, this Country was once the "melting pot" of the World, but isn't it pretty hypocritical that mostly the same people who want to change everything else about this Country want to continue that?

Because it is a part of what makes the United States special. It is our identity. Come here and accomplish rags to riches. Going against that betrays the very ideals that this country stands on.

So does removing God from schools and historic songs, but as I said, many of the same people want to do both. They can't claim "It's History and part of America, so we can't change it!", only when it's convenient for their own desires.

Aren't Women's Rights, Minority Rights, and the like, changes to our Country's founding core believes? Aren't (the majority of) people more than happy those changes were made? Maybe the ability and willingness to change based on what the majority of people want, is what makes this Country great, and was the key founding belief. The majority want the influx of immigrants from certain areas stopped because it's a safety risk to citizens of this Country. How is that possibly a bad thing?

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/23/2017 9:54:00 AM (view original):
I will ask one more time to any and all posters. Name ONE mostly Islamic country that fits ALL three of the criteria below:

• Politically stable
• Socially progressive
• Economically viable

Just one. I can name many countries that are NOT mostly Islamic that fit that criteria: USA, Israel, most of Europe, Australia, Japan, Singapore, etc.

I patiently await your responses.

Thank you

That's easy. There aren't any.

Posted by all3 on 11/23/2017 10:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/22/2017 7:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/22/2017 5:09:00 PM (view original):
"But there are plenty of Muslims who are not extreme that should be allowed into the country."

Why? Why should Muslims, or anybody else, be allowed to come live in this Country? There aren't too many people here already?

Sure, this Country was once the "melting pot" of the World, but isn't it pretty hypocritical that mostly the same people who want to change everything else about this Country want to continue that?

Because it is a part of what makes the United States special. It is our identity. Come here and accomplish rags to riches. Going against that betrays the very ideals that this country stands on.

So does removing God from schools and historic songs, but as I said, many of the same people want to do both. They can't claim "It's History and part of America, so we can't change it!", only when it's convenient for their own desires.

Aren't Women's Rights, Minority Rights, and the like, changes to our Country's founding core believes? Aren't (the majority of) people more than happy those changes were made? Maybe the ability and willingness to change based on what the majority of people want, is what makes this Country great, and was the key founding belief. The majority want the influx of immigrants from certain areas stopped because it's a safety risk to citizens of this Country. How is that possibly a bad thing?

Again, if Muslims commit crimes WHILE IN THE UNITED STATES, then that is wrong. But being Muslim is NOT A CRIME! Maybe Muslim governments are bad, but Muslim people may not be.

I am not saying that "IT IS HISTORY". I am saying that, just like abolishing human rights is against the ideals of our nation, so is banning Muslims.

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/23/2017 9:54:00 AM (view original):
I will ask one more time to any and all posters. Name ONE mostly Islamic country that fits ALL three of the criteria below:

• Politically stable
• Socially progressive
• Economically viable

Just one. I can name many countries that are NOT mostly Islamic that fit that criteria: USA, Israel, most of Europe, Australia, Japan, Singapore, etc.

I patiently await your responses.

Thank you

There are none. You win.

Posted by tangplay on 11/23/2017 11:12:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 11/22/2017 7:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/22/2017 5:09:00 PM (view original):
"But there are plenty of Muslims who are not extreme that should be allowed into the country."

Why? Why should Muslims, or anybody else, be allowed to come live in this Country? There aren't too many people here already?

Sure, this Country was once the "melting pot" of the World, but isn't it pretty hypocritical that mostly the same people who want to change everything else about this Country want to continue that?

Because it is a part of what makes the United States special. It is our identity. Come here and accomplish rags to riches. Going against that betrays the very ideals that this country stands on.

So does removing God from schools and historic songs, but as I said, many of the same people want to do both. They can't claim "It's History and part of America, so we can't change it!", only when it's convenient for their own desires.

Aren't Women's Rights, Minority Rights, and the like, changes to our Country's founding core believes? Aren't (the majority of) people more than happy those changes were made? Maybe the ability and willingness to change based on what the majority of people want, is what makes this Country great, and was the key founding belief. The majority want the influx of immigrants from certain areas stopped because it's a safety risk to citizens of this Country. How is that possibly a bad thing?

Again, if Muslims commit crimes WHILE IN THE UNITED STATES, then that is wrong. But being Muslim is NOT A CRIME! Maybe Muslim governments are bad, but Muslim people may not be.

I am not saying that "IT IS HISTORY". I am saying that, just like abolishing human rights is against the ideals of our nation, so is banning Muslims.

You're saying it, over and over and over, but you're not supplying good reasons why.

Ideals of our nation change, as desires of our citizens change. That has lead to some great human rights changes and some I don't think are so great. Right now, the majority of citizens desires Muslims be kept out until a better screening process is developed. Are the desires (nobody from any other Countries have USA rights) of Muslims more important than the desires, and the lives, of American citizens?

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Posted by tangplay on 11/22/2017 7:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/22/2017 5:09:00 PM (view original):
"But there are plenty of Muslims who are not extreme that should be allowed into the country."

Why? Why should Muslims, or anybody else, be allowed to come live in this Country? There aren't too many people here already?

Sure, this Country was once the "melting pot" of the World, but isn't it pretty hypocritical that mostly the same people who want to change everything else about this Country want to continue that?

Because it is a part of what makes the United States special. It is our identity. Come here and accomplish rags to riches. Going against that betrays the very ideals that this country stands on.

So does removing God from schools and historic songs, but as I said, many of the same people want to do both. They can't claim "It's History and part of America, so we can't change it!", only when it's convenient for their own desires.

Aren't Women's Rights, Minority Rights, and the like, changes to our Country's founding core believes? Aren't (the majority of) people more than happy those changes were made? Maybe the ability and willingness to change based on what the majority of people want, is what makes this Country great, and was the key founding belief. The majority want the influx of immigrants from certain areas stopped because it's a safety risk to citizens of this Country. How is that possibly a bad thing?

Again, if Muslims commit crimes WHILE IN THE UNITED STATES, then that is wrong. But being Muslim is NOT A CRIME! Maybe Muslim governments are bad, but Muslim people may not be.

I am not saying that "IT IS HISTORY". I am saying that, just like abolishing human rights is against the ideals of our nation, so is banning Muslims.

You're saying it, over and over and over, but you're not supplying good reasons why.

Ideals of our nation change, as desires of our citizens change. That has lead to some great human rights changes and some I don't think are so great. Right now, the majority of citizens desires Muslims be kept out until a better screening process is developed. Are the desires (nobody from any other Countries have USA rights) of Muslims more important than the desires, and the lives, of American citizens?

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore,” she wrote. “Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” - Statue of Liberty

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Let's just tear down the IRRELEVANT AND OUTDATED Statue of Liberty and Bill of Rights, why don't we.

So now you're back to liking what our Countries Founding Fathers wrote, since it serves your cause. How very b_l of you.
Guess we should undo all the changes since then. H*ll, this would probably be a much better place to live if we did.
So sorry I'll miss any additional foolishness from you today, but family and Thanksgiving call. Those things are American, so I hope they're OK with you, since I know you think Muslims' desire come before Americans' desires.

Posted by tangplay on 11/23/2017 11:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/23/2017 9:54:00 AM (view original):
I will ask one more time to any and all posters. Name ONE mostly Islamic country that fits ALL three of the criteria below:

• Politically stable
• Socially progressive
• Economically viable

Just one. I can name many countries that are NOT mostly Islamic that fit that criteria: USA, Israel, most of Europe, Australia, Japan, Singapore, etc.

I patiently await your responses.

Thank you

There are none. You win.

EXACTLY!!! Why do you think that is?

Posted by all3 on 11/23/2017 12:01:00 PM (view original):
So now you're back to liking what our Countries Founding Fathers wrote, since it serves your cause. How very b_l of you.
Guess we should undo all the changes since then. H*ll, this would probably be a much better place to live if we did.
So sorry I'll miss any additional foolishness from you today, but family and Thanksgiving call. Those things are American, so I hope they're OK with you, since I know you think Muslims' desire come before Americans' desires.

I never said that. You seem to be hyperboling this whole debate.

Your argument seems to be, "If the people want changes, then change it."

So if 51% of the people of America wanted to bring back slavery, you would be OK with that? Or if 51% of the people wanted to legalize murder?

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/23/2017 8:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/23/2017 11:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/23/2017 9:54:00 AM (view original):
I will ask one more time to any and all posters. Name ONE mostly Islamic country that fits ALL three of the criteria below:

• Politically stable
• Socially progressive
• Economically viable

Just one. I can name many countries that are NOT mostly Islamic that fit that criteria: USA, Israel, most of Europe, Australia, Japan, Singapore, etc.

I patiently await your responses.

Thank you

There are none. You win.

EXACTLY!!! Why do you think that is?

Because governments are corrupt. And because Muslims have different ideals than we do.

Posted by tangplay on 11/23/2017 8:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/23/2017 12:01:00 PM (view original):
So now you're back to liking what our Countries Founding Fathers wrote, since it serves your cause. How very b_l of you.
Guess we should undo all the changes since then. H*ll, this would probably be a much better place to live if we did.
So sorry I'll miss any additional foolishness from you today, but family and Thanksgiving call. Those things are American, so I hope they're OK with you, since I know you think Muslims' desire come before Americans' desires.

I never said that. You seem to be hyperboling this whole debate.

Your argument seems to be, "If the people want changes, then change it."

So if 51% of the people of America wanted to bring back slavery, you would be OK with that? Or if 51% of the people wanted to legalize murder?

IF that were the case and you are exaggerating then we would have some serious issues in the US. Are you equating immigration to slavery and murder? Please confirm

Posted by tangplay on 11/23/2017 8:37:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 11/23/2017 11:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/23/2017 9:54:00 AM (view original):
I will ask one more time to any and all posters. Name ONE mostly Islamic country that fits ALL three of the criteria below:

• Politically stable
• Socially progressive
• Economically viable

Just one. I can name many countries that are NOT mostly Islamic that fit that criteria: USA, Israel, most of Europe, Australia, Japan, Singapore, etc.

I patiently await your responses.

Thank you

There are none. You win.

EXACTLY!!! Why do you think that is?

Because governments are corrupt. And because Muslims have different ideals than we do.

Thank you. So why would you allow people who have been raised under corrupt governments and with different ideals than us to come here in droves?