Posted by all3 on 11/29/2017 8:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 7:13:00 PM (view original):
yeah, its kind of like pointing to the Las Vegas shooting and saying all middle aged white men should be deported because they obviously shoot people.

Except in one case those people are already American citizens who have the right to live here as long as they want, and in the other they are NOT American citizens and are trying to (sometimes) illegally come and enjoy the privilege of living here.
Is it their fault they weren't born here? Of course not, but the entire planet can't live in America, if they want to.

You're missing the point. cccp was pointing to one incident and saying that all muslims are bad based on that one incident. That is like saying all middle aged white men are bad based on the Las Vegas shooting. I wasn't commenting on whether they had a right to be here or not, just that cccp was using faulty logic.

Posted by wylie715 on 11/30/2017 12:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/29/2017 8:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 7:13:00 PM (view original):
yeah, its kind of like pointing to the Las Vegas shooting and saying all middle aged white men should be deported because they obviously shoot people.

Except in one case those people are already American citizens who have the right to live here as long as they want, and in the other they are NOT American citizens and are trying to (sometimes) illegally come and enjoy the privilege of living here.
Is it their fault they weren't born here? Of course not, but the entire planet can't live in America, if they want to.

You're missing the point. cccp was pointing to one incident and saying that all muslims are bad based on that one incident. That is like saying all middle aged white men are bad based on the Las Vegas shooting. I wasn't commenting on whether they had a right to be here or not, just that cccp was using faulty logic.

No no no. It was an example. There are a lot more but I did not want to paste them all.

The new arrivals to Tucson were white immigrants, mostly. Same with Santa Fe and many other southwestern locales. There WAS an existing civilization in place........ had been for 100's of years. It was (primarily) brown and red. WE (anglo-saxons) were the invading immigrants. Wonder how they feel about THEIR culture getting swallowed up?

Posted by laramiebob on 11/30/2017 12:28:00 PM (view original):
The new arrivals to Tucson were white immigrants, mostly. Same with Santa Fe and many other southwestern locales. There WAS an existing civilization in place........ had been for 100's of years. It was (primarily) brown and red. WE (anglo-saxons) were the invading immigrants. Wonder how they feel about THEIR culture getting swallowed up?

Invaders not the same as immigrants. Those people were rightly or wrongly conquered.

Who was conquered?? Don't tell that to some of the old families in Tucson, or Santa Fe, or El Paso, or San Antonio, or ..............
Those locales may now be within our borders but who swallowed whom is in question. It's all a melting pot now. White superiority notions are still showing Boris......... Where (exactly) did your family immigrate from man............have your forgotten why they fled?

Posted by all3 on 11/29/2017 8:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 7:13:00 PM (view original):
yeah, its kind of like pointing to the Las Vegas shooting and saying all middle aged white men should be deported because they obviously shoot people.

Except in one case those people are already American citizens who have the right to live here as long as they want, and in the other they are NOT American citizens and are trying to (sometimes) illegally come and enjoy the privilege of living here.
Is it their fault they weren't born here? Of course not, but the entire planet can't live in America, if they want to.

There is no right to live in America, for ANYONE. There is a God-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Should we take that away from immigrants because of where they were born?

Posted by all3 on 11/30/2017 11:00:00 AM (view original):
Why shouldn't immigrants be expected to learn English? I know it's not the "official" Language of the US, but for about 200 years or so, every immigrant from every Country came here accepting the fact they were going to need to learn English to productively live in the USA. How and why did that change over the last 40-50 years? People can actually take their Citizenship Test in their native language. Sorry, but IMO that's freakin' nuts. Do Americans go anywhere on this Earth expecting other Countries to cater to English-only speaking ways?

Yeah we do.

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/30/2017 11:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 11/30/2017 10:40:00 AM (view original):
"...our views and our line of thinking"????? Wow Boris.

Just what is that please? I don't give a **** who you're the son of, that's a lot of chutzpah............
So your price to live in the U.S. is for someone to adopt YOUR views?

I say F. U. to that!!
I want it to be MY views!!! C'mon Boris, agree with me......... or you're out!!!
I was here first. I'm part native.

Can you feel the sarcasm...........

Let me rephrase. Follow our constitution. Learn our language. Treat women as equals. Native Americans were conquered, the settlers did not ask their permission for anything. No sarcasm, you are just plain wrong.

And if they do that, which most Muslims would, they are fine, right? Where's a statistic that most Muslim immigrants break US laws? Bueller? Bueller?

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/30/2017 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 11/30/2017 12:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/29/2017 8:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 7:13:00 PM (view original):
yeah, its kind of like pointing to the Las Vegas shooting and saying all middle aged white men should be deported because they obviously shoot people.

Except in one case those people are already American citizens who have the right to live here as long as they want, and in the other they are NOT American citizens and are trying to (sometimes) illegally come and enjoy the privilege of living here.
Is it their fault they weren't born here? Of course not, but the entire planet can't live in America, if they want to.

You're missing the point. cccp was pointing to one incident and saying that all muslims are bad based on that one incident. That is like saying all middle aged white men are bad based on the Las Vegas shooting. I wasn't commenting on whether they had a right to be here or not, just that cccp was using faulty logic.

No no no. It was an example. There are a lot more but I did not want to paste them all.

Statistic that most Muslims commit crimes in the US, please. We can trade incidents of white people AND Muslims doing crimes all we want. All are isolated incidents that don't reflect on the majority until you post some big-picture numbers.

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/30/2017 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 11/30/2017 12:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/29/2017 8:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 7:13:00 PM (view original):
yeah, its kind of like pointing to the Las Vegas shooting and saying all middle aged white men should be deported because they obviously shoot people.

Except in one case those people are already American citizens who have the right to live here as long as they want, and in the other they are NOT American citizens and are trying to (sometimes) illegally come and enjoy the privilege of living here.
Is it their fault they weren't born here? Of course not, but the entire planet can't live in America, if they want to.

You're missing the point. cccp was pointing to one incident and saying that all muslims are bad based on that one incident. That is like saying all middle aged white men are bad based on the Las Vegas shooting. I wasn't commenting on whether they had a right to be here or not, just that cccp was using faulty logic.

No no no. It was an example. There are a lot more but I did not want to paste them all.

and there a lot of examples of white folks killing people too and any other race you pick.

Posted by tangplay on 11/30/2017 5:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/30/2017 11:00:00 AM (view original):
Why shouldn't immigrants be expected to learn English? I know it's not the "official" Language of the US, but for about 200 years or so, every immigrant from every Country came here accepting the fact they were going to need to learn English to productively live in the USA. How and why did that change over the last 40-50 years? People can actually take their Citizenship Test in their native language. Sorry, but IMO that's freakin' nuts. Do Americans go anywhere on this Earth expecting other Countries to cater to English-only speaking ways?

Yeah we do.

Really? Name one, just one, Country where that happens anywhere near the way it does here.

Posted by tangplay on 11/30/2017 5:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/29/2017 8:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 7:13:00 PM (view original):
yeah, its kind of like pointing to the Las Vegas shooting and saying all middle aged white men should be deported because they obviously shoot people.

Except in one case those people are already American citizens who have the right to live here as long as they want, and in the other they are NOT American citizens and are trying to (sometimes) illegally come and enjoy the privilege of living here.
Is it their fault they weren't born here? Of course not, but the entire planet can't live in America, if they want to.

There is no right to live in America, for ANYONE. There is a God-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Should we take that away from immigrants because of where they were born?

People born in this Country, to two citizens of this Country, don't have the right to live here? You've really taken your stupidity to a different level today.

Posted by all3 on 11/30/2017 8:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/30/2017 5:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/30/2017 11:00:00 AM (view original):
Why shouldn't immigrants be expected to learn English? I know it's not the "official" Language of the US, but for about 200 years or so, every immigrant from every Country came here accepting the fact they were going to need to learn English to productively live in the USA. How and why did that change over the last 40-50 years? People can actually take their Citizenship Test in their native language. Sorry, but IMO that's freakin' nuts. Do Americans go anywhere on this Earth expecting other Countries to cater to English-only speaking ways?

Yeah we do.

Really? Name one, just one, Country where that happens anywhere near the way it does here.

Seriously? There are lots of Americans that are American-centric. That's why they have English lettering on a lot of stuff in, say, Russia, etc.

Posted by all3 on 11/30/2017 8:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/30/2017 5:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/29/2017 8:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 7:13:00 PM (view original):
yeah, its kind of like pointing to the Las Vegas shooting and saying all middle aged white men should be deported because they obviously shoot people.

Except in one case those people are already American citizens who have the right to live here as long as they want, and in the other they are NOT American citizens and are trying to (sometimes) illegally come and enjoy the privilege of living here.
Is it their fault they weren't born here? Of course not, but the entire planet can't live in America, if they want to.

There is no right to live in America, for ANYONE. There is a God-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Should we take that away from immigrants because of where they were born?

People born in this Country, to two citizens of this Country, don't have the right to live here? You've really taken your stupidity to a different level today.

Its a privilege, not a right, that's why you said that people who don't like it here can leave, remember?

Posted by tangplay on 11/30/2017 10:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/30/2017 8:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/30/2017 5:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/29/2017 8:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 7:13:00 PM (view original):
yeah, its kind of like pointing to the Las Vegas shooting and saying all middle aged white men should be deported because they obviously shoot people.

Except in one case those people are already American citizens who have the right to live here as long as they want, and in the other they are NOT American citizens and are trying to (sometimes) illegally come and enjoy the privilege of living here.
Is it their fault they weren't born here? Of course not, but the entire planet can't live in America, if they want to.

There is no right to live in America, for ANYONE. There is a God-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Should we take that away from immigrants because of where they were born?

People born in this Country, to two citizens of this Country, don't have the right to live here? You've really taken your stupidity to a different level today.

Its a privilege, not a right, that's why you said that people who don't like it here can leave, remember?

You do know that people are allowed to give up their rights, don't you?
Like giving-up the right to be silent, which you should have started about 5 pages ago.
People born to citizens of the US, in the US, do not have a right to live here? Come on. Where do they have the right to live?