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Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010
Big Ten didn't need the money from the playoff. Big East and Big 12 should have supported it, because of the potential additional revenue. But the playoff didn't pass and it did seem to create a system of haves and have-nots as far as funding. SEC and Big Ten schools get a lot of their funding from their TV and bowl revenue.

Big 12 is surprisingly poor in this regard. Big East doesn't have the clout in football, though the basketball end of it helps.

The Big Ten does stand to profit if they can expand into a few new markets. The Pac Ten with the departing six from the Big 12 will get the recognition and clout it'd been seeking, and will force the other premier conferences to adjust.

this issue for big 12 is lack of major media markets comprised amongst the basic locales of the 12 teams
6/7/2010 2:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010
That'd leave the old Big 12 with Iowa State, Colorado, Kansas, and Kansas State as homeless. The two Kansas schools will likely be a package deal, and will carry more weight for their basketball prowess.

I could see some of the mid-tier schools like TCU, Houston, BYU, Utah, and Boise State coming in to fill that conference back up and keep the automatic bid potential, but there isn't the same history.

Big East would leave South Florida, West Virginia, Connecticut, Cincinnati, and Louisville.

while likely kansas and K St would want to stay together, especially since missouri wouldn't be part of the mix, dont think that kansas wouldnt act independently if it benefitted them
6/7/2010 2:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010
So the SEC would probably draw a few from the ACC, and the ACC would in turn pick up a bunch from the Big East. The end result might actually make the conference even better in basketball, while still remaining good at football.

West Virginia has a pre-existing rivalry with Maryland. South Florida has been laying the other state schools regularly already. Connecticut might help them expand up the coast and closer to the Boston College campus.

I just don't think that Louisville or Cincinnati might be a part of the ACC realighment.

agree on the basketball part, not so sure on the football part.
6/7/2010 2:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010
Pac 16:

USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State
where's Colorado
Supposedly the Texas schools said they'd only come if it was Baylor instead of Colorado.
6/7/2010 2:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010

Big Ten didn't need the money from the playoff. Big East and Big 12 should have supported it, because of the potential additional revenue. But the playoff didn't pass and it did seem to create a system of haves and have-nots as far as funding. SEC and Big Ten schools get a lot of their funding from their TV and bowl revenue.

Big 12 is surprisingly poor in this regard. Big East doesn't have the clout in football, though the basketball end of it helps.

The Big Ten does stand to profit if they can expand into a few new markets. The Pac Ten with the departing six from the Big 12 will get the recognition and clout it'd been seeking, and will force the other premier conferences to adjust.

this issue for big 12 is lack of major media markets comprised amongst the basic locales of the 12 team
Texas has its main media markets. Missouri could conceivably get you a few more, but lower down the list.
6/7/2010 3:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010
Pac 16:

USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State
where's Colorado?
Supposedly the Texas schools said they'd only come if it was Baylor instead of Colorado
eh, not exactly true, for some odd reason baylor seems to have some odd political clout in the texas legislature and thus the legislature is trying to "force" the 4 schools to be a package deal in whatever underhanded way those politics work
6/7/2010 3:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010

That'd leave the old Big 12 with Iowa State, Colorado, Kansas, and Kansas State as homeless. The two Kansas schools will likely be a package deal, and will carry more weight for their basketball prowess.

I could see some of the mid-tier schools like TCU, Houston, BYU, Utah, and Boise State coming in to fill that conference back up and keep the automatic bid potential, but there isn't the same history.

Big East would leave South Florida, West Virginia, Connecticut, Cincinnati, and Louisville.

while likely kansas and K St would want to stay together, especially since missouri wouldn't be part of the mix, dont think that kansas wouldnt act independently if it benefitted the
It'll be interesting to see how this all breaks down.
6/7/2010 3:03 PM
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the problem is baylor adds exactly nothing to a conference, they add no media markets and no competitiveness, they are like an ugly vanderbilt
6/7/2010 3:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010

So the SEC would probably draw a few from the ACC, and the ACC would in turn pick up a bunch from the Big East. The end result might actually make the conference even better in basketball, while still remaining good at football.

West Virginia has a pre-existing rivalry with Maryland. South Florida has been laying the other state schools regularly already. Connecticut might help them expand up the coast and closer to the Boston College campus.

I just don't think that Louisville or Cincinnati might be a part of the ACC realighment.

agree on the basketball part, not so sure on the football part
Yeah, you don't like those Big East schools in football, but they've done very well in bowls lately. Especially against the ACC.
6/7/2010 3:04 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010
Pac 16:

USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State
where's Colorado?
Supposedly the Texas schools said they'd only come if it was Baylor instead of Colorado.
eh, not exactly true, for some odd reason baylor seems to have some odd political clout in the texas legislature and thus the legislature is trying to "force" the 4 schools to be a package deal in whatever underhanded way those politics wor
It started from the politicians, but the latest rumblings have Baylor in ahead of Colorado based on the school Presidents themselves.
6/7/2010 3:04 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010

Big Ten didn't need the money from the playoff. Big East and Big 12 should have supported it, because of the potential additional revenue. But the playoff didn't pass and it did seem to create a system of haves and have-nots as far as funding. SEC and Big Ten schools get a lot of their funding from their TV and bowl revenue.

Big 12 is surprisingly poor in this regard. Big East doesn't have the clout in football, though the basketball end of it helps.

The Big Ten does stand to profit if they can expand into a few new markets. The Pac Ten with the departing six from the Big 12 will get the recognition and clout it'd been seeking, and will force the other premier conferences to adjust.

this issue for big 12 is lack of major media markets comprised amongst the basic locales of the 12 teams
Texas has its main media markets. Missouri could conceivably get you a few more, but lower down the list.
keep texas a&m and texas together and you inherently have austin, san antonio, dallas and houston - texas tech and baylor add nothing
6/7/2010 3:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010the problem is baylor adds exactly nothing to a conference, they add no media markets and no competitiveness, they are like an ugly vanderbilt
I like their jerseys. Robert Griffin is cool, too.

Their football team could conceivably get better, and their basketball team has done well the last few seasons. Good coaches and recruiters in both sports.
6/7/2010 3:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By robusk on 6/07/2010

When is the decision being made?
Supposedly the Pac-10/Big-12 thing is coming to a head within a week. Big Ten had a 12 to 18 month timetable, but they will probably have to rush it now.

What is the financial model for the playoff system?
This doesn't guarantee a playoff system. It's more of an attempt to get those lucrative conference championship games in the conferences that previously didn't have them.

Is that still possible/more likely now?
It's possible, but I don't even know how the BCS would work with two conferences potentially being dissolved.

Does this cause a shakeup in the mid-major conferences?
The Big 12 might try to pick up the BYU/Utah/Boise State/TCU/Houston type of mid-major to maintain an automatic bid.

Are there still bowl games for non-playoff qualifiers if that happens? Doesn't this starve the have-nots even more?

There will still be bowl games for pretty much any team that qualifies.

Right on... Intended to ask if we can expect mid major conferences to start to merge to get around the 14-16 team number now as well?
6/7/2010 3:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010
Pac 16:

USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State
where's Colorado?
Supposedly the Texas schools said they'd only come if it was Baylor instead of Colorado.
eh, not exactly true, for some odd reason baylor seems to have some odd political clout in the texas legislature and thus the legislature is trying to "force" the 4 schools to be a package deal in whatever underhanded way those politics work
It started from the politicians, but the latest rumblings have Baylor in ahead of Colorado based on the school Presidents themselves.
but the pac 10 wants the denver market/state of colorado
6/7/2010 3:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By r0b0t on 6/07/2010

Big Ten didn't need the money from the playoff. Big East and Big 12 should have supported it, because of the potential additional revenue. But the playoff didn't pass and it did seem to create a system of haves and have-nots as far as funding. SEC and Big Ten schools get a lot of their funding from their TV and bowl revenue.

Big 12 is surprisingly poor in this regard. Big East doesn't have the clout in football, though the basketball end of it helps.

The Big Ten does stand to profit if they can expand into a few new markets. The Pac Ten with the departing six from the Big 12 will get the recognition and clout it'd been seeking, and will force the other premier conferences to adjust.

this issue for big 12 is lack of major media markets comprised amongst the basic locales of the 12 teams
Texas has its main media markets. Missouri could conceivably get you a few more, but lower down the list.
keep texas a&m and texas together and you inherently have austin, san antonio, dallas and houston - texas tech and baylor add nothing
But even in the supposed conversations between Texas' AD and Ohio State's, they indicated that they have a "Tech problem". For whatever reason, UT is looking out for their fellow Texas schools.
6/7/2010 3:06 PM
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