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the problem is baylor adds exactly nothing to a conference, they add no media markets and no competitiveness, they are like an ugly vanderbilt

I like their jerseys. Robert Griffin is cool, too.

Their football team could conceivably get better, and their basketball team has done well the last few seasons. Good coaches and recruiters in both sports.

any "major" d1 school can recruit in texas, ridiculous talent pool, amazing texas a&m teams aren't better every year even taking U of Texas overs

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When is the decision being made?
Supposedly the Pac-10/Big-12 thing is coming to a head within a week. Big Ten had a 12 to 18 month timetable, but they will probably have to rush it now.

What is the financial model for the playoff system?
This doesn't guarantee a playoff system. It's more of an attempt to get those lucrative conference championship games in the conferences that previously didn't have them.

Is that still possible/more likely now?
It's possible, but I don't even know how the BCS would work with two conferences potentially being dissolved.

Does this cause a shakeup in the mid-major conferences?
The Big 12 might try to pick up the BYU/Utah/Boise State/TCU/Houston type of mid-major to maintain an automatic bid.

Are there still bowl games for non-playoff qualifiers if that happens? Doesn't this starve the have-nots even more?

There will still be bowl games for pretty much any team that qualifies.

Right on... Intended to ask if we can expect mid major conferences to start to merge to get around the 14-16 team number now as well

I'm not so sure. I think they'd have to see how these supersize conferences play out on the field/court.

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Big Ten didn't need the money from the playoff. Big East and Big 12 should have supported it, because of the potential additional revenue. But the playoff didn't pass and it did seem to create a system of haves and have-nots as far as funding. SEC and Big Ten schools get a lot of their funding from their TV and bowl revenue.

Big 12 is surprisingly poor in this regard. Big East doesn't have the clout in football, though the basketball end of it helps.

The Big Ten does stand to profit if they can expand into a few new markets. The Pac Ten with the departing six from the Big 12 will get the recognition and clout it'd been seeking, and will force the other premier conferences to adjust.

this issue for big 12 is lack of major media markets comprised amongst the basic locales of the 12 teams

Texas has its main media markets. Missouri could conceivably get you a few more, but lower down the list.

keep texas a&m and texas together and you inherently have austin, san antonio, dallas and houston - texas tech and baylor add nothing

But even in the supposed conversations between Texas' AD and Ohio State's, they indicated that they have a "Tech problem". For whatever reason, UT is looking out for their fellow Texas schools

agreed, UT and TAMU want Tech, not necessarily Baylor

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Pac 16:

USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State

where's Colorado?

Supposedly the Texas schools said they'd only come if it was Baylor instead of Colorado.

eh, not exactly true, for some odd reason baylor seems to have some odd political clout in the texas legislature and thus the legislature is trying to "force" the 4 schools to be a package deal in whatever underhanded way those politics work

It started from the politicians, but the latest rumblings have Baylor in ahead of Colorado based on the school Presidents themselves.

but the pac 10 wants the denver market/state of colorad

Colorado doesn't draw as well in that market as you'd expect, though. Utah is a much less populated state, but Utah and BYU get better ratings on TV.

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the problem is baylor adds exactly nothing to a conference, they add no media markets and no competitiveness, they are like an ugly vanderbilt

I like their jerseys. Robert Griffin is cool, too.

Their football team could conceivably get better, and their basketball team has done well the last few seasons. Good coaches and recruiters in both sports.

any "major" d1 school can recruit in texas, ridiculous talent pool, amazing texas a&m teams aren't better every year even taking U of Texas over

I'd heard they have some money issues in their college, especially with the athletic department.

its because colorado people are hippies who'd rather go hiking than watch tv

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Big Ten didn't need the money from the playoff. Big East and Big 12 should have supported it, because of the potential additional revenue. But the playoff didn't pass and it did seem to create a system of haves and have-nots as far as funding. SEC and Big Ten schools get a lot of their funding from their TV and bowl revenue.

Big 12 is surprisingly poor in this regard. Big East doesn't have the clout in football, though the basketball end of it helps.

The Big Ten does stand to profit if they can expand into a few new markets. The Pac Ten with the departing six from the Big 12 will get the recognition and clout it'd been seeking, and will force the other premier conferences to adjust.

this issue for big 12 is lack of major media markets comprised amongst the basic locales of the 12 teams

Texas has its main media markets. Missouri could conceivably get you a few more, but lower down the list.

keep texas a&m and texas together and you inherently have austin, san antonio, dallas and houston - texas tech and baylor add nothing

But even in the supposed conversations between Texas' AD and Ohio State's, they indicated that they have a "Tech problem". For whatever reason, UT is looking out for their fellow Texas schools.

agreed, UT and TAMU want Tech, not necessarily Baylo

But the legislators for the state who determine state funding to public universities might be pressuring the university presidents.

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the problem is baylor adds exactly nothing to a conference, they add no media markets and no competitiveness, they are like an ugly vanderbilt

I like their jerseys. Robert Griffin is cool, too.

Their football team could conceivably get better, and their basketball team has done well the last few seasons. Good coaches and recruiters in both sports.

any "major" d1 school can recruit in texas, ridiculous talent pool, amazing texas a&m teams aren't better every year even taking U of Texas overs

I'd heard they have some money issues in their college, especially with the athletic department.

the big issue is that texas a&m is basically still perceived as a bunch of hick small town kids and that college station isnt an appealing environment for minorities

Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010its because colorado people are hippies who'd rather go hiking than watch t

If taking Baylor over Colorado means getting Texas and Oklahoma, they'll do it. But they had stated before that there are questions about TT and OSU's academic standards compared to the Pac 10.

Not to mention rumors before that BYU was someone the Pac 10 had considered, considering BYU has close academic ties to most of those universities. Hell, USC got in trouble for having so many of their athletes making grade using BYU-offered online courses that are accredited towards USC.

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the problem is baylor adds exactly nothing to a conference, they add no media markets and no competitiveness, they are like an ugly vanderbilt

I like their jerseys. Robert Griffin is cool, too.

Their football team could conceivably get better, and their basketball team has done well the last few seasons. Good coaches and recruiters in both sports.

any "major" d1 school can recruit in texas, ridiculous talent pool, amazing texas a&m teams aren't better every year even taking U of Texas overs

I'd heard they have some money issues in their college, especially with the athletic department.

the big issue is that texas a&m is basically still perceived as a bunch of hick small town kids and that college station isnt an appealing environment for minorities

I don't know Texas so well, so I'll take your word on it. But if another school steps up to get those second tier guys in Texas, they'll be a legitimate powerhouse.

Actually, Oklahoma tends to be that team.

16 teams just feels like to many to me. I like 12, but even that gets annoying because certain teams within conference hardly play one another. 10 with all teams playing eachother once, with a conference championship game is ideal to me... but we are way past that.

yeah, unfortunately they probably won't go back to that. there's too much money in corporate sponsored championship games.

16 seems like a lot, I agree.

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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010
the problem is baylor adds exactly nothing to a conference, they add no media markets and no competitiveness, they are like an ugly vanderbilt

I like their jerseys. Robert Griffin is cool, too.

Their football team could conceivably get better, and their basketball team has done well the last few seasons. Good coaches and recruiters in both sports.

any "major" d1 school can recruit in texas, ridiculous talent pool, amazing texas a&m teams aren't better every year even taking U of Texas overs

I'd heard they have some money issues in their college, especially with the athletic department.

the big issue is that texas a&m is basically still perceived as a bunch of hick small town kids and that college station isnt an appealing environment for minorities

I don't know Texas so well, so I'll take your word on it. But if another school steps up to get those second tier guys in Texas, they'll be a legitimate powerhouse.

Actually, Oklahoma tends to be that team.

the entire nation tends to be that team.

i like 12 teams better than 16, but either way you have a conference championship game.

and if 4 major 16 team conferences lends itself to a 4 or maybe 8 team football playoff i'd be for that, 4 auto bids and 4 at large.

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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 6/07/2010
the problem is baylor adds exactly nothing to a conference, they add no media markets and no competitiveness, they are like an ugly vanderbilt

I like their jerseys. Robert Griffin is cool, too.

Their football team could conceivably get better, and their basketball team has done well the last few seasons. Good coaches and recruiters in both sports.

any "major" d1 school can recruit in texas, ridiculous talent pool, amazing texas a&m teams aren't better every year even taking U of Texas overs

I'd heard they have some money issues in their college, especially with the athletic department.

the big issue is that texas a&m is basically still perceived as a bunch of hick small town kids and that college station isnt an appealing environment for minorities

I don't know Texas so well, so I'll take your word on it. But if another school steps up to get those second tier guys in Texas, they'll be a legitimate powerhouse.

Actually, Oklahoma tends to be that team.

the entire nation tends to be that team

Oklahoma is one of the few that can beat Texas to the top in-state prospects.