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Thanks.

Anyway, everyone stop what they are doing and read Thomas Frank's new book, "The People, No: A History of Anti-Populism".

It is THE book we need right now. A fierce defense of the common people's ability to govern, and a devastating history of elites, experts, ruling classes through American history disparaging and demonizing the people, and disparaging their ability, education, knowledge, movements and struggles for democracy.

It shows the real difference between the REAL populism and the use of pseudo-populist rhetoric or images by demagogic political leaders and media personality through the last 100 years or so. The real populism unites the people against rule by the rich, the powerful and the self-appointed experts who have continually led us into crises they neither admitted to nor knew how to solve, all the while refusing to acknowledge that others might have viewpoints, ideas, solutions, proposals that could work. The Populists of the 1890s, the New Deal and working class movements of the 1930s and other genuine people's movements are shown to have been treated just as today's populist uprisings are by media, professional elites, academics, economists and the wealthy. At the same time, the USE of false populism by opportunists, who rather than unite the people to fight upstairs against those richer and more powerful with greater status, instead divide the people on the basis of race, nationality, religion or other side issues is rejected and shown for what it is and how it differs from the real thing.
And the tendency of today's center-left, liberals and identity-politics left to also look down on the people, to ignore or slander the American populist democratic tradition, to dismiss class inequalities, and so to fail to offer a politics that could unite the vast majority for real change is also rejected and severely criticised.

I cannot recommend this book enough. Thomas Frank, "The People, No: A History of Anti-Populism". Get it. Read it. Figure out which side you are really on. You might have allies you are not aware of.
7/19/2020 1:29 PM
sounds interesting, italyprof. i'll check it out.

I'm currently reading Piketty's latest, about halfway through and really enjoying it so far. Bringing it up because he defines populism as "a catch-all term frequently used by elites to deride political movements they deem to be insufficiently under their control," which is the best and most concise definition of the term I've ever heard.

7/19/2020 1:59 PM
Posted by bagchucker on 7/17/2020 10:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dino27 on 3/19/2020 4:45:00 PM (view original):
she will read it or she will rid it ?
she will not rid it

she says she read it

you know how sometimes you read a book published 600 years ago and you try to turn the page and the two are stuck together by a printer faux pas a unsharp blade

yer like this is a classic its been read by millions and right in the middle is stuff never read

welcome to the stacks thats my girl

so i stack it by the door and it piles up it never vamos

Best American Short Stories year after year after year after year

this quest is getting tired
Thank you
7/19/2020 3:44 PM
Posted by italyprof on 7/19/2020 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Thanks.

Anyway, everyone stop what they are doing and read Thomas Frank's new book, "The People, No: A History of Anti-Populism".

It is THE book we need right now. A fierce defense of the common people's ability to govern, and a devastating history of elites, experts, ruling classes through American history disparaging and demonizing the people, and disparaging their ability, education, knowledge, movements and struggles for democracy.

It shows the real difference between the REAL populism and the use of pseudo-populist rhetoric or images by demagogic political leaders and media personality through the last 100 years or so. The real populism unites the people against rule by the rich, the powerful and the self-appointed experts who have continually led us into crises they neither admitted to nor knew how to solve, all the while refusing to acknowledge that others might have viewpoints, ideas, solutions, proposals that could work. The Populists of the 1890s, the New Deal and working class movements of the 1930s and other genuine people's movements are shown to have been treated just as today's populist uprisings are by media, professional elites, academics, economists and the wealthy. At the same time, the USE of false populism by opportunists, who rather than unite the people to fight upstairs against those richer and more powerful with greater status, instead divide the people on the basis of race, nationality, religion or other side issues is rejected and shown for what it is and how it differs from the real thing.
And the tendency of today's center-left, liberals and identity-politics left to also look down on the people, to ignore or slander the American populist democratic tradition, to dismiss class inequalities, and so to fail to offer a politics that could unite the vast majority for real change is also rejected and severely criticised.

I cannot recommend this book enough. Thomas Frank, "The People, No: A History of Anti-Populism". Get it. Read it. Figure out which side you are really on. You might have allies you are not aware of.
This looks like a great book by one of the great former republicans who came to the conclusion that bad government is the natural product of the governance of those that believe government is bad.
the natural battle of a real grass roots populism vs the fake populism is happening.
i intend to buy this book. I did not know about it and appreciate your bringing it to our attention.
7/19/2020 3:50 PM
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Great article.
7/23/2020 11:01 PM
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An Excerpt...

“But while the people advocating reparations have changed over time, the response from the country has remained virtually the same. “They have been taught to labor,” the Chicago Tribune editorialized in 1891. “They have been taught Christian civilization, and to speak the noble English language instead of some African gibberish. The account is square with the ex-slaves.”

Not exactly. Having been enslaved for 250 years, black people were not left to their own devices. They were terrorized. In the Deep South, a second slavery ruled. In the North, legislatures, mayors, civic associations, banks, and citizens all colluded to pin black people into ghettos, where they were overcrowded, overcharged, and undereducated. Businesses discriminated against them, awarding them the worst jobs and the worst wages. Police brutalized them in the streets. And the notion that black lives, black bodies, and black wealth were rightful targets remained deeply rooted in the broader society. Now we have half-stepped away from our long centuries of despoilment, promising, “Never again.” But still we are haunted. It is as though we have run up a credit-card bill and, having pledged to charge no more, remain befuddled that the balance does not disappear. The effects of that balance, interest accruing daily, are all around us.”

7/24/2020 12:06 PM
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I wanted to bring attention to the absence of bronxcheer , a frequent contributor to this thread. He has been missing more then 2 weeks and was a daily participant in his amazing Mets thread. So his absence is conspicuous.
i have had serious reservations about some statements of his and certain attitudes that impinge on my world and human views but I still wish him well.
there could be a serious health issue. Hopefully it is a temporary setback and nothing more.
lets all hope for the best.
7/25/2020 7:01 PM
redskins died, cresten cried
7/25/2020 7:36 PM
Posted by winnetka1 on 7/24/2020 12:06:00 PM (view original):
An Excerpt...

“But while the people advocating reparations have changed over time, the response from the country has remained virtually the same. “They have been taught to labor,” the Chicago Tribune editorialized in 1891. “They have been taught Christian civilization, and to speak the noble English language instead of some African gibberish. The account is square with the ex-slaves.”

Not exactly. Having been enslaved for 250 years, black people were not left to their own devices. They were terrorized. In the Deep South, a second slavery ruled. In the North, legislatures, mayors, civic associations, banks, and citizens all colluded to pin black people into ghettos, where they were overcrowded, overcharged, and undereducated. Businesses discriminated against them, awarding them the worst jobs and the worst wages. Police brutalized them in the streets. And the notion that black lives, black bodies, and black wealth were rightful targets remained deeply rooted in the broader society. Now we have half-stepped away from our long centuries of despoilment, promising, “Never again.” But still we are haunted. It is as though we have run up a credit-card bill and, having pledged to charge no more, remain befuddled that the balance does not disappear. The effects of that balance, interest accruing daily, are all around us.”

Thanks for posting this.

So, here are two examples from the world of baseball - and of racial inequality and terrorism:

I am reading a book about the 1969 Mets called "They said it couldn't be done" by Wayne Coffey.

Example 1: Tommy Agee's family in Alabama had to hide out for some days once because when Tommy's sisters notice some white boys stealing grapes from off their property and said something about it, the boys returned with their father who was armed with a shotgun and threatened to kill the whole Agee family.

Example 2. Ed Charles and his brothers and sisters came home from Church one Sunday on the Florida coast and found that one of their toys had been stolen. Turns out it was robbed by some white kids. They confront them about it, same thing happens, the white kids' father threatens them with a gun. Charles' father scolds them "you realize you could have been lynched for that?" and the family has to move away to another town to be safe.

Later, Ed left home to move in with a friend to escape his violent father. His father sees him one day on the street, brings him to the police as a runaway and while in a jail cell, Charles hears the cops demand sexual favors from a Black woman who is in a nearby cell, and beat her brutally when she refuses, until she relents.

This is what went on endlessly, across the South, and probably not only the South for 400 hundred years, and worse. Cleon Jones' great-grandparents were among the enslaved people illegally (since the slave trade had been banned already in 1804) brought over from Africa in 1860 in the last slave ship that arrived before the Civil War started.

That is just the stories of three players on one historic team.

A state of terrorism existed over the lives of 1 American in 7 for four centuries, and that does not count Native Americans, and many other groups.

But I would also emphasize a different point: that the state of terrorism over non-White Americans has been exercised not mainly out of racism - that racism is very real and serves to justify the treatment. The purpose of the treatment is control of the labor force and that means that part of the purpose of racial inequality has also always been to control white working class people as well, though their, our, treatment has always been mild by comparison (speaking of communities, not every individual experience). The majority of Europeans who arrived in what became the USA before 1776 arrived as indentured servants. Every ethnic group, from Europe as well as from Mexico, Asia, Latin America, the Caribbean, the Middle East, has faced discrimination of some sort, though again, there have always been differences of degree and even qualitative differences - the Europeans were indentured, after 7 years they were free, the African enslaved.

Why? To separate us, to divide us, to rule over us all and exploit us and prevent our unity against those who would exploit us all.

Think about it: it is not ONLY African Americans that lack good school systems, tuition-free universities, public and universal health care, union representation as the norm, legal job security (in most jobs in Italy, and nearly all in the more progressive Eurpoean countries are protected for life and firing requires showing cause and wrongdoing in a court of law, employers can't just fire you), tenant protection from evictions, payroll protection by their governments in the face of Covid-19 and the shutdowns, so that unemployment does not skyrocket, elected employee representatives on the boards of directors of companies (as is the rule in most of northern Europe) and so on. It is also White Americans, who if privileged relative to African Americans, Hispanics and others, are instead deprived of these basic rights, because of the racial inequality that has worked so successfully to divide us for so long.

It is time to end it, and to provide all Americans with a real new deal of the cards, a new social contract, and with the things that people in other highly developed economic societies, in other democracies, including the one where I live, which is hardly a 21st century utopia, take as their birthright.

So, as with Huckleberry Finn not turning in the fugitive slave that he runs into, because he will get in touble whether he does the right thing or the wrong thing, doing what is right and doing what is in all our interest coincide. What could be more American than that?
7/27/2020 2:20 PM
Bingo...well said, Professor.
7/27/2020 5:53 PM
PG Wodehouse's Mr. Mulliner Speaking (1929). Very entertaining short stories. The characters and plots are corny and predictable, but every page has a few laughs. Man at a party speaking of his uncle: "Two minutes of my Uncle Francis is considered by the best judges a good medium dose for an adult."

True Story: Murder, Memoir, Mea Culpa (2005) by Michael Finkel. Not bad. Reminiscent of The Adversary, another book about a writer feeling compromised while telling, and profiting from, the story of a man who murdered his wife and children. Finkel received “the journalistic equivalent of a winning lottery ticket” when, on the same day the New York Times announced he’d been fired for fudging facts in an article, he learned a killer on the loose had been impersonating him. This book is the story of that killer, and Finkel’s icky relationship with him. Saw the movie (starring James Franco as the killer, Jonah Hill as Finkel) and it was better than the book. Finkel comes across worse in the movie, which made it more satisfying.

The Stranger in the Woods: The Extraordinary Story of the Last True Hermit (2017) by Michael Finkel again. 20 year old disappears into the Maine woods in 1986, and reemerges 27 years later when he’s caught stealing supplies (clothing, junk food, and novels) from local cabins -- which he’s been doing regularly, about 40 times a year, to survive. The hermit's pretty damn likable. He uses pages from John Grisham novels for toilet paper.

Dreams of Ada (1987; new afterword 2006) by Robert Mayer. Ambitious true crime story about a pair of (probably) innocent good-for-nothings railroaded by the police in Oklahoma for the murder of a young woman. The author’s clearly aiming for a sprawling “In Cold Blood” effect, which he sometimes achieves, but never really at Capote’s level. Good book, although a tad heavy on the details. Couple side notes. The name of an insignificant minor character, Agnes Lumpmouth. Like something out of Dickens. Can you imagine introducing Agnes Lumpmouth as your girlfriend? Although Lumpmouth by itself would be decent as, say, the name of a mid-level grunge band from the ‘90s that never quite hit it big. The other thing, in the afterword the author mentions John Grisham, in a positive way, for a work of non-fiction Grisham published on a very similar topic from the same time and locale. Weird to come across Grisham's name in two straight books.
7/27/2020 5:54 PM
Charlie Sifford had a very difficult time breaking the color barrier in the Professional Golfers Association in the early 60’s. He faced all kinds of racism from fans and players alike. In one tournament in North Carolina Charlie was playing his first hole of the tournament and as he got to the green he noticed that someone had taken a dump in the cup.

later in the 60’s he was playing well enough to have won a tournament and was leading after the third round in the Canadian Open. At that time the winner of the Canadian Open got an automatic invitation to play in the Masters. The Masters is one of the most prestigious of all tournaments and was by invitation only. After the results of the third round and before the fourth and final round of the Canadian open the Masters Committee had an emergency meeting. They declared that no longer will the winner of the Canadian Open be awarded an automatic invitation to play the Masters. Those good ole boys from Augusta, Georgia could not take the chance that Charlie, a black man, play in their event.

these stories and many others are described in Charlie Siffords book, “Just Let Me Play”.

I was lucky enough to get him to autograph my copy just before he went out to play. Caught him by surprise and he was very gracious. Cool guy.
7/27/2020 6:11 PM (edited)
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