Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/15/2023 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Good luck trying to pass any kind of Electoral College reform. You would be asking States that have low population to give up all of their rights to New York, California, Illinois and the like. People who push for this kind of power grab don't understand the purpose of the Electoral College. Then again, perhaps I am not giving them enough credit. They probably do understand its purpose. They simply hate the Electoral College because it stands in the way of the dictatorship they want to set up.

That is what a democracy is, a dictatorship - majority RULE, the dictatorship of the majority over the minority. It's why folks get caught up in the popular vote. They want that majority RULE. RULE, you know, as in RULER. They believe the 51 should be able to oppress the 49. Too bad our constitution sets up a Republic. Too bad our constitution guarantees the rights of the minority (actually the rights of the 1 from the oppression of the 99) in the first 10 amendments. Too bad dreams of absolute power have to die so hard.

yerrrrrrrrrrrrrr nuts

"democracy is, a dictatorship"



let's talk tuberville

that's the tyranny of the MINORITY



the founders should have clarified that in this democratic republic every vote all the winner needs is 50% + 1

their failure, the founders failure, as i see it, was to allow each body to make it's own rules

so it takes 60 to pass the senate, or it takes 1 to stop a colonel from getting a star



this system is effed up and i blame you and yours



Liberte Egalite Fraternite

J'accuse!

Posted by bagchucker3 on 7/16/2023 12:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/15/2023 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Good luck trying to pass any kind of Electoral College reform. You would be asking States that have low population to give up all of their rights to New York, California, Illinois and the like. People who push for this kind of power grab don't understand the purpose of the Electoral College. Then again, perhaps I am not giving them enough credit. They probably do understand its purpose. They simply hate the Electoral College because it stands in the way of the dictatorship they want to set up.

That is what a democracy is, a dictatorship - majority RULE, the dictatorship of the majority over the minority. It's why folks get caught up in the popular vote. They want that majority RULE. RULE, you know, as in RULER. They believe the 51 should be able to oppress the 49. Too bad our constitution sets up a Republic. Too bad our constitution guarantees the rights of the minority (actually the rights of the 1 from the oppression of the 99) in the first 10 amendments. Too bad dreams of absolute power have to die so hard.

yerrrrrrrrrrrrrr nuts

"democracy is, a dictatorship"



let's talk tuberville

that's the tyranny of the MINORITY



the founders should have clarified that in this democratic republic every vote all the winner needs is 50% + 1

their failure, the founders failure, as i see it, was to allow each body to make it's own rules

so it takes 60 to pass the senate, or it takes 1 to stop a colonel from getting a star



this system is effed up and i blame you and yours



Liberte Egalite Fraternite

J'accuse!

The greatest rules devised cannot stand up to human malfeasance and cowardice.
If Pence did not follow the rules the rules would have failed and then we would have had some bloody response and if the Supreme Court backed up trump and Pence we would have had a bloody civil war where the rule of law would never be the same again.

A democracy is only as strong as the people that use it are good. If there are enough quality people who follow the rule of law we are golden.
Trumpism and extreme conservatism as it exists today has taken us to the brink. So far democracy has held but there is a battle going on and it is on every level of politics every where in the country.



Only USA and India and Pakistan among major countries have a form of electoral college. England and France and every other significant country uses popular vote.

Anyone accusing me of just rhetoric is part of the anti democracy force.

And there are always those that are - too smart for their own good.

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/15/2023 12:49:00 PM (view original):
I thought there was a House of Representatives in addition to the senate.

Other major industrial democracies operate without an electoral college, just fine.

The first sentence is undeniably true.

However, there are no other major democracies. As a matter of fact, there is not a single democracy on the planet. There are Republics, Theocracies, Monarchies, Oligarchies, Dictatorships of various flavors...hell, some countries have no effective governmental form at all.

Name what you think is a democracy and I'll post what their actual, official and legal governmental form is. Democracy is a currently a concept since no working example exists.

As far as the USA is concerned, I'll break it down in easy and simple terms. Representatives and Senators are not USA offices, they are offices of the State they are elected from. You can argue Pennsylvania is a democracy. The USA is certainly not. The only national offices the USA have are President and Vice-President. True Fact. The Electoral College was put in place to PREVENT democracy, where the people would be voting directly (the textbook definition of a Democracy.). You do not vote for Pres/VP. The Electoral College does it for you. In effect, the President and Vice-President are appointed by the Electoral College.

But you know this. It simply does not fit your agenda.

England is a Monarchy
France is a Republic

Any others?

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:33:00 PM (view original):
England is a Monarchy
France is a Republic

Any others?

With all due respect that it is irrelevant to the conversation.

you are way too concerned with that stuff.
it is - I’m the smartest in the room stuff.
And not important to reality.

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/16/2023 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:33:00 PM (view original):
England is a Monarchy
France is a Republic

Any others?

With all due respect that it is irrelevant to the conversation.

you are way too concerned with that stuff.
it is - I’m the smartest in the room stuff.
And not important to reality.

With all due respect, you tend to avoid the intellectual parts of a conversation.

Not surprising you would key on this tidbit and ignore the post prior.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/16/2023 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:33:00 PM (view original):
England is a Monarchy
France is a Republic

Any others?

With all due respect that it is irrelevant to the conversation.

you are way too concerned with that stuff.
it is - I’m the smartest in the room stuff.
And not important to reality.

With all due respect, you tend to avoid the intellectual parts of a conversation.

Not surprising you would key on this tidbit and ignore the post prior.

Agree to disagree.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:33:00 PM (view original):
England is a Monarchy
France is a Republic

Any others?

isn't he U.S a republic as well?

and as far as the electoral college, I'd worry about the parties putting forth more qualified candidates (if such a thing exist) before I concern myself with the technicalities of how these idiots are elected.

Posted by wylie715 on 7/16/2023 3:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:33:00 PM (view original):
England is a Monarchy
France is a Republic

Any others?

isn't he U.S a republic as well?

and as far as the electoral college, I'd worry about the parties putting forth more qualified candidates (if such a thing exist) before I concern myself with the technicalities of how these idiots are elected.

Yes.

I agree with you in principal. But, since we are a nation of laws (as opposed to edicts,) the technicality that is the constitution kinda governs what a "good" candidate is. Candidates that understand the constitution and want to work within it...even if that means amending it...are the only candidates that should get due attention.

Too many candidates these days want to circumvent it, think it is obsolete or otherwise want to rule by ignoring it. The constitution sets forth clear and obvious limitations...limitations on governmental power, that is. That drives some to the brink of insanity. Most who occupy Congress at the current time would fall into this category, political party notwithstanding.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/16/2023 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/16/2023 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:33:00 PM (view original):
England is a Monarchy
France is a Republic

Any others?

With all due respect that it is irrelevant to the conversation.

you are way too concerned with that stuff.
it is - I’m the smartest in the room stuff.
And not important to reality.

With all due respect, you tend to avoid the intellectual parts of a conversation.

Not surprising you would key on this tidbit and ignore the post prior.

Agree to disagree.

Then, please comment on the post prior.

You are capable of fantastic conversation when it suits you...regarding music, art, sports, more or less non-political topics.

When it comes to politics, you become a one trick pony that only propagandizes in an echo chamber. It's a shame. Great intellect, which I believe you have, should not be limited.

We are in the middle of something that has not threatened our way of life since the Cuban missle crisis and 9-11. Even republicans in congress were running for their lives on that flashpoint day.

I appreciate the compliment. Art is subjective and everyone brings their experiences and spiritual values and color to it.

Im not into defining governments into republics or monopoly or monarchy etc. We don’t have time for that. It is a big distraction.
When a Canadian like lostin space is highly representative of almost half of the American electorate and the “great” independents are still contemplating their navels I have no time for it.

And I’m certainly not even going anyway near discussions of tyranny unless you are talking about fighting back at Republican politicians who support autocracy here and elsewhere.
I am a very patriotic American with a flag pole and all.

Our system is not tyrannical but it can be destroyed by tyrannical people and that is what I am focused on.

Keep your eye on the ball.

For the most part I am the guy who talks about real things going on / the real specifics of our American civil war.

Posted by wylie715 on 7/16/2023 3:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:33:00 PM (view original):
England is a Monarchy
France is a Republic

Any others?

isn't he U.S a republic as well?

and as far as the electoral college, I'd worry about the parties putting forth more qualified candidates (if such a thing exist) before I concern myself with the technicalities of how these idiots are elected.

What you said scares the shiit out of me.
That way of perceiving things is how we got to Jan 6 and why the body politic is clinging to life and will flat line unless more standard republicans become independents and dems and more independents become dems.

Right now there are so many smart really talented dems and we have a president that has kept so many promises and produced such prodigious results.

I know this will make you angry Wylie but I wonder why you are not able to draw a wider line between the 2 parties. If you can’t really see what is right before your eyes either open your eyes And your ears or give in to the architecture of fear.
A lot of independents ignore republicans but belittle dems and insist that they be more then perfect even when it is only / only the dems that will protect their way of life.

people calling themselves independents are usually embarrassed republicans or dopes. Sometimes not of those 2 but most of the time yes.
if course IMO.

If it was not for independents Gore would have beaten Bush and we would have battled climate change back then and not wasted 8 years and of course no Iraq war.
The idiotpendents killed it all.
F Nader and Stein and West and the rest of the communists and narcissists who put themselves ahead of the country and sometimes bring us irreparable harm that never gets fixed.

Yes - like most Democrats I hate communism but we are intelligent enough to understand that communism is not the equal of our capitalist socialism hybrid that is the system of all of the successful democratic countries.
Any hybrid which is one part communist is going to be of autocracy.
Any American politician supporting Russia and Putin and does not want to support Ukraine is a grave danger to our country.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 4:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 7/16/2023 3:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/16/2023 1:33:00 PM (view original):
England is a Monarchy
France is a Republic

Any others?

isn't he U.S a republic as well?

and as far as the electoral college, I'd worry about the parties putting forth more qualified candidates (if such a thing exist) before I concern myself with the technicalities of how these idiots are elected.

Yes.

I agree with you in principal. But, since we are a nation of laws (as opposed to edicts,) the technicality that is the constitution kinda governs what a "good" candidate is. Candidates that understand the constitution and want to work within it...even if that means amending it...are the only candidates that should get due attention.

Too many candidates these days want to circumvent it, think it is obsolete or otherwise want to rule by ignoring it. The constitution sets forth clear and obvious limitations...limitations on governmental power, that is. That drives some to the brink of insanity. Most who occupy Congress at the current time would fall into this category, political party notwithstanding.

too many candidates these days want to circumvent the constitution is right

they are called textualists and originalists

they fail to regard the constitution as a living document




they pare back the green so severely all they see is the bulb

the whole point of amendments is to CHANGE the constitution

every successive amendment grows a new constituion

you don't peel the layers off to get to the true onion

you respect the last change most

you eat the whole onion