it constitutes making me hurl...and my new name for her is EmptyG

There is only one party in the US right now. Having a 2nd one to choose from would be an improvement.

The Demipublicans and Republocrats have been two sides of the same coin for generations. What you see is mostly for public consumption.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/20/2023 8:41:00 PM (view original):
There is only one party in the US right now. Having a 2nd one to choose from would be an improvement.

The Demipublicans and Republocrats have been two sides of the same coin for generations. What you see is mostly for public consumption.

As Wylie will attest to that kind of false equivalency is anathema to me meaning I could not disagree more even if I was dead.

im sorry to say this my friend but it is not worthy of debate. And please do not say I’m copping out.

You are a brilliant guy and that’s just some type of emotional reaction to a very disheartening truth.

Posted by wylie715 on 7/20/2023 8:36:00 PM (view original):
it constitutes making me hurl...and my new name for her is EmptyG

I’m fond of ugly bittch.
Bride of Frankenstein and Congresswoman Ratchet
slso sounds good. How about Brainless Betty.
Alliterative nicknames are good.

Seriously is she in 4th grade?

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/20/2023 9:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/20/2023 8:41:00 PM (view original):
There is only one party in the US right now. Having a 2nd one to choose from would be an improvement.

The Demipublicans and Republocrats have been two sides of the same coin for generations. What you see is mostly for public consumption.

As Wylie will attest to that kind of false equivalency is anathema to me meaning I could not disagree more even if I was dead.

im sorry to say this my friend but it is not worthy of debate. And please do not say I’m copping out.

You are a brilliant guy and that’s just some type of emotional reaction to a very disheartening truth.

No, you are not copping out. If you want to believe that we have two parties, be my guest. Most Americans suffer the same delusion that you do, lol.

The last time the US had legit, balloted independent parties would have been around 2000...The Green Party and Libertarian Party were destroyed and absorbed into the machine.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/20/2023 10:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/20/2023 9:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/20/2023 8:41:00 PM (view original):
There is only one party in the US right now. Having a 2nd one to choose from would be an improvement.

The Demipublicans and Republocrats have been two sides of the same coin for generations. What you see is mostly for public consumption.

As Wylie will attest to that kind of false equivalency is anathema to me meaning I could not disagree more even if I was dead.

im sorry to say this my friend but it is not worthy of debate. And please do not say I’m copping out.

You are a brilliant guy and that’s just some type of emotional reaction to a very disheartening truth.

No, you are not copping out. If you want to believe that we have two parties, be my guest. Most Americans suffer the same delusion that you do, lol.

The last time the US had legit, balloted independent parties would have been around 2000...The Green Party and Libertarian Party were destroyed and absorbed into the machine.

When the 2 parties are so diametrically different who needs a third party. They are just messianic egotistical hellrazers. That’s why I can see RFK going 3 P.

Coincidencentally after my comment on 3rd parties Drudge did a deep dive on big 3rd party candidate stories.

Those that don’t consult Drudge for daily news are missing the great source of all things most important in the news.

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/20/2023 10:15:00 PM (view original):
Coincidencentally after my comment on 3rd parties Drudge did a deep dive on big 3rd party candidate stories.

Those that don’t consult Drudge for daily news are missing the great source of all things most important in the news.

I'll have to read up on that. Always find that kind of analysis interesting.

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/20/2023 10:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/20/2023 10:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/20/2023 9:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/20/2023 8:41:00 PM (view original):
There is only one party in the US right now. Having a 2nd one to choose from would be an improvement.

The Demipublicans and Republocrats have been two sides of the same coin for generations. What you see is mostly for public consumption.

As Wylie will attest to that kind of false equivalency is anathema to me meaning I could not disagree more even if I was dead.

im sorry to say this my friend but it is not worthy of debate. And please do not say I’m copping out.

You are a brilliant guy and that’s just some type of emotional reaction to a very disheartening truth.

No, you are not copping out. If you want to believe that we have two parties, be my guest. Most Americans suffer the same delusion that you do, lol.

The last time the US had legit, balloted independent parties would have been around 2000...The Green Party and Libertarian Party were destroyed and absorbed into the machine.

When the 2 parties are so diametrically different who needs a third party. They are just messianic egotistical hellrazers. That’s why I can see RFK going 3 P.

I'm not saying there won't be a third individual on the ballot for a one-off election.

I am saying that there will not be a national 3rd Party. The duopoly that currently exists will always work together as one to destroy any outsider who tries to achieve political power. This effectively makes the Democrats and Republicans a single party, opposing any challenge to the status quo, which is themselves.

You don't have to go back that far in history to find examples.

righto then

me and you are brothers



the way to get to three meaningful parties or more is to outlaw anything more than 50%+1

but no

we got this thing where you win my state you get all my votes

we got this thing where it takes 60 to decide

what a crock

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/20/2023 11:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/20/2023 10:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/20/2023 10:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/20/2023 9:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/20/2023 8:41:00 PM (view original):
There is only one party in the US right now. Having a 2nd one to choose from would be an improvement.

The Demipublicans and Republocrats have been two sides of the same coin for generations. What you see is mostly for public consumption.

As Wylie will attest to that kind of false equivalency is anathema to me meaning I could not disagree more even if I was dead.

im sorry to say this my friend but it is not worthy of debate. And please do not say I’m copping out.

You are a brilliant guy and that’s just some type of emotional reaction to a very disheartening truth.

No, you are not copping out. If you want to believe that we have two parties, be my guest. Most Americans suffer the same delusion that you do, lol.

The last time the US had legit, balloted independent parties would have been around 2000...The Green Party and Libertarian Party were destroyed and absorbed into the machine.

When the 2 parties are so diametrically different who needs a third party. They are just messianic egotistical hellrazers. That’s why I can see RFK going 3 P.

I'm not saying there won't be a third individual on the ballot for a one-off election.

I am saying that there will not be a national 3rd Party. The duopoly that currently exists will always work together as one to destroy any outsider who tries to achieve political power. This effectively makes the Democrats and Republicans a single party, opposing any challenge to the status quo, which is themselves.

You don't have to go back that far in history to find examples.

If Trump is the dem and Matt Gaetz ran as third party would the dems object?

Posted by bagchucker3 on 7/20/2023 11:50:00 PM (view original):
righto then

me and you are brothers



the way to get to three meaningful parties or more is to outlaw anything more than 50%+1

but no

we got this thing where you win my state you get all my votes

we got this thing where it takes 60 to decide

what a crock

Crock is crook minus an o.
Teddy Roosevelt tried it and it did not stick.

Americans and most people have a natural inclination to choose between A and B.
Anything more is way too complicated.

We also evolved a system to coalesce competing ideology mainly economics into a binary choice. Along the way one of the parties found a way to convince voters into joining the party serving their employer in opposition to them but I digress.

Our politics is 2 polar opposite parties.
If it was possible for Zeus and Hera to birth a brand new fully actualized party to join the other 2 and that party be unique and competitive but not derivative I think that would be fantastic.

It would completely change the way business is done in Congress and lead to greater consensus building.

The problem is that the fake third party candidates like communist Jill Stein and spoiler in chief Rolf Nader strike fear as they should into a party running a winning race only to be upended in the electoral college by a drop out.


That is a bad outcome.
I don’t want third parties unless we get rid of the electoral college.

Today a great third party could be formed by the former republicans who are sane and decent people including the Lincoln Project and people like Michael Steele and David Jolly and Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.

They are so pro democracy that for now they will only support the democrats so long as the republicans remain really and truly a party of autocrats and cowards and let’s face it - scum.

So I see a possible third party of substance and heft in maybe 20 years.

Bread and Circuses.

We have one totalitarian party. The two halves come about it from opposite directions but the end goal is exactly the same, the same way the National Socialists and Bolsheviks came about it from supposedly the right and the left ...total control from a centralized base with themselves as the gatekeepers. It's a bad joke portrayed by bad actors and, one of these days, the American public will get tired and send them all out on a rail.

You want to think the republicans are scum and the democrats are the saviors of the nation. Hate to break it to you - they are all scum, they are all autocrats and cowards and the only thing they are "pro" is pro absolute power.

From an apparent charter member of the Cynical Party. Like Reagan said...........Government doesn't help it is to be feared.
THAT was the beginning of the downfall of the Republican Party. The current "mess of sh*t" masquerading as Republican is the end result.

I used to think that way myself actually.
Until I flipped the coin and recognized that expecting a negative result guarantees a negative result and decided to TRY and shine a positive light.........
But I still get annoyed at superficiality and ignorance and especially willful stupidity.
Which I see far too often round these parts!

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/21/2023 9:16:00 AM (view original):
Bread and Circuses.

We have one totalitarian party. The two halves come about it from opposite directions but the end goal is exactly the same, the same way the National Socialists and Bolsheviks came about it from supposedly the right and the left ...total control from a centralized base with themselves as the gatekeepers. It's a bad joke portrayed by bad actors and, one of these days, the American public will get tired and send them all out on a rail.

You want to think the republicans are scum and the democrats are the saviors of the nation. Hate to break it to you - they are all scum, they are all autocrats and cowards and the only thing they are "pro" is pro absolute power.

You kook. :)
You think democrats are scum because you hate the democratic politics of and since FDR.
You are a quality person so you realize that the republicans of today are personally scumbags.