Round 1 - 120M Analysis Topic

Fouteen different "stud" players were selected. Not suprisingly, the cheapest studs were the most popular. Here is a list of how many times each stud was taken...
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Stud ________________ Count
1927 Babe Ruth 57
1922 Rogers Hornsby 42
1894 Billy Hamilton 32
2002 Barry Bonds 26
1932 Jimmie Foxx 17
1886 King Kelly 16
1956 Mickey Mantle 7
1980 George Brett 7
1920 Babe Ruth 4
2001 Barry Bonds 3
1887 Tip O'Neill 2
1911 Ty Cobb 1
1924 Rogers Hornsby 1
1941 Ted Williams 1
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Here is the breakdown by owner...
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Owner__________ Three Stud Combination
_JJP_ 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
3dayrotation 1886 King Kelly / 1887 Tip O'Neill / 1894 Billy Hamilton
AAartist3 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1956 Mickey Mantle / 2002 Barry Bonds
Bansberg 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
barracuda3 1927 Babe Ruth / 1980 George Brett / 2002 Barry Bonds
beauchamp 1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth
bheid408 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1980 George Brett
big_dowg 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
buddhagamer 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
bullet6464 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
calhoop 1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby
CarrDoor 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2002 Barry Bonds
ceno1515 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2001 Barry Bonds
chargingryno 1886 King Kelly / 1920 Babe Ruth / 1922 Rogers Hornsby
chewy3344 1886 King Kelly / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
contrarian23 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
cubbies84 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
d_rock97 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
DarthDurron 1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth
DCNats4000 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
dirtbag13 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
discodemo 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
DJTaylor 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 1956 Mickey Mantle / 1980 George Brett
donaldjtrump 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
duhbigcat 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
dvorr80 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1956 Mickey Mantle
emanes10 1886 King Kelly / 1887 Tip O'Neill / 1894 Billy Hamilton
ff09 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2001 Barry Bonds
firesalt 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
franklynne 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
garmansouth 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
gworear 1927 Babe Ruth / 1956 Mickey Mantle / 1980 George Brett
happyhours 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
hebdomad 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
jbohrman 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
Jdh34 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
jfranco77 1886 King Kelly / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1980 George Brett
Jtpsops 1886 King Kelly / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
just4me 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
justinlee_24 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
ledfoot 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2002 Barry Bonds
magicdreamer 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
markeking 1886 King Kelly / 1920 Babe Ruth / 1956 Mickey Mantle
mattedesa 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2002 Barry Bonds
mensu1954 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
milest 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1956 Mickey Mantle
MJDSupporter 1886 King Kelly / 1920 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
mjkrunner 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
mllama54 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
newarkwilder 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
oldtimer59 1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby
ozomatli 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
pinstripes5 1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1980 George Brett
PrimetimeTW 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
pumped 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
Qhadow123 1924 Rogers Hornsby / 1956 Mickey Mantle / 1980 George Brett
rbow923 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
RebJebb 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
redcped 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
redsfive 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
Relkcirts 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
Ribbentrop 1920 Babe Ruth / 1941 Ted Williams / 2002 Barry Bonds
ronthegenius 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
SAKABAKBRG 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2001 Barry Bonds
schwarze 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
sford 1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 2002 Barry Bonds
sweil 1886 King Kelly / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
toddcommish 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2002 Barry Bonds
toysboys 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
trd3 1886 King Kelly / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
tridentric 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
wstevens07 1911 Ty Cobb / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
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There were 31 unique 3-player combinations selected. Here is the breakdown of how many of each combination was selected.
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3-Stud Combinations________________________________ Count
1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth 13
1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds 12
1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx 6
1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx 4
1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds 4
1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2002 Barry Bonds 3
1886 King Kelly / 1887 Tip O'Neill / 1894 Billy Hamilton 2
1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby 2
1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth 2
1886 King Kelly / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth 2
1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1956 Mickey Mantle 2
1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1980 George Brett 1
1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 2002 Barry Bonds 1
1886 King Kelly / 1920 Babe Ruth / 1922 Rogers Hornsby 1
1886 King Kelly / 1920 Babe Ruth / 1956 Mickey Mantle 1
1886 King Kelly / 1920 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds 1
1886 King Kelly / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx 1
1886 King Kelly / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1980 George Brett 1
1886 King Kelly / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds 1
1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1980 George Brett 1
1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2001 Barry Bonds 1
1894 Billy Hamilton / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2001 Barry Bonds 1
1911 Ty Cobb / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth 1
1920 Babe Ruth / 1941 Ted Williams / 2002 Barry Bonds 1
1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2001 Barry Bonds 1
1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2002 Barry Bonds 1
1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1956 Mickey Mantle / 2002 Barry Bonds 1
1924 Rogers Hornsby / 1956 Mickey Mantle / 1980 George Brett 1
1927 Babe Ruth / 1956 Mickey Mantle / 1980 George Brett 1
1927 Babe Ruth / 1980 George Brett / 2002 Barry Bonds 1
1932 Jimmie Foxx / 1956 Mickey Mantle / 1980 George Brett 1
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For combinations selected more than once, here is the breakdown of owners
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Owner__________ Three Studs
_JJP_ 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
big_dowg 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
dirtbag13 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
discodemo 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
garmansouth 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
happyhours 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
magicdreamer 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
mensu1954 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
mllama54 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
newarkwilder 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
redsfive 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
Relkcirts 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
tridentric 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
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Bansberg 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
contrarian23 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
cubbies84 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
DCNats4000 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
firesalt 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
franklynne 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
hebdomad 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
just4me 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
ozomatli 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
ronthegenius 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
schwarze 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
toysboys 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
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d_rock97 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
duhbigcat 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
jbohrman 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
Jdh34 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
mjkrunner 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
rbow923 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
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buddhagamer 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
bullet6464 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
donaldjtrump 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
redcped 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx
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justinlee_24 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
PrimetimeTW 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
pumped 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
RebJebb 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth / 2002 Barry Bonds
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ledfoot 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2002 Barry Bonds
mattedesa 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2002 Barry Bonds
toddcommish 1927 Babe Ruth / 1932 Jimmie Foxx / 2002 Barry Bonds
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3dayrotation 1886 King Kelly / 1887 Tip O'Neill / 1894 Billy Hamilton
emanes10 1886 King Kelly / 1887 Tip O'Neill / 1894 Billy Hamilton
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calhoop 1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby
oldtimer59 1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1922 Rogers Hornsby
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beauchamp 1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth
DarthDurron 1886 King Kelly / 1894 Billy Hamilton / 1927 Babe Ruth
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Jtpsops 1886 King Kelly / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
trd3 1886 King Kelly / 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth
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dvorr80 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1956 Mickey Mantle
milest 1922 Rogers Hornsby / 1927 Babe Ruth / 1956 Mickey Mantle
6/26/2025 2:51 PM
I'm surprised more people went with Hamilton over Bonds.

Both are good choices but Bonds should generate more runs against this caliber of pitching, even if he's playing a bit fatigued.
6/27/2025 3:01 AM
I went with Kelly over Bonds for PAs, positional flexibility, and I figured there would be more lefty pitchers and more homer-killing pitchers to counter Ruth and Bonds.
6/27/2025 8:51 AM
Here's my thought process for Hamilton over Bonds.
  • The main goal is the cheapest 3 $15M players possible to allow for flexibility elsewhere in the roster.
  • If I have to pay for 3 $15M players, they better be able to play all game, every game at 100%, without the need for rest.
  • Unless he's hitting at the bottom of the order, Bonds won't be able to play all the time at 100% without a backup. And D+/D+ in RF at less than 100% isn't a risk I wanted to take.
  • If I'm drafting a backup for them, I'm just adding to their price tag and I may as well take a more expensive $15M player with more PA instead.
  • .377/.495# with 93 speed hitting leadoff in front of Hornsby and Ruth all game, every game? I'll live with the 150 or so PA I'll never use in exchange for that.
  • I would never take Hamilton in any other league becuase I can't stomach the the waste of PA, but I honestly think he's a bargain for this league.
  • I'm wasting at least $2.7M (150 PA x $18,088 per PA), if not more, on PA won't use but within the confines of this league, even with that waste, it still gives me more overall roster flexibility than drafting a player who's more expensive overall with less PA.
  • B/A in CF is a nice bonus.
  • I've never had luck with the elite Bonds seasons. For me, he never gets close to his AVG# or HR/100# numbers. The walks are always plentiful, but you won't cash in Ruth or Hornsby too many times on a walk. And becuase the other 2 stars will be hitting ahead of him, I think he will get stranded a lot.
  • Of course, after writing all that, Bonds will sweep the MVPs in every league and every World Series winner will have drafted him.
6/27/2025 10:32 AM
In virtually every theme league I'm in that has Bonds, two things are true.
1. His sim OPS is the most off from his real life OPS (compared to other hitters).
2. He still always wins MVP.

It will be interesting to see how the Hamilton teams do compared to the Bonds teams.
6/27/2025 10:42 AM
Posted by _JJP_ on 6/27/2025 10:32:00 AM (view original):
Here's my thought process for Hamilton over Bonds.
  • The main goal is the cheapest 3 $15M players possible to allow for flexibility elsewhere in the roster.
  • If I have to pay for 3 $15M players, they better be able to play all game, every game at 100%, without the need for rest.
  • Unless he's hitting at the bottom of the order, Bonds won't be able to play all the time at 100% without a backup. And D+/D+ in RF at less than 100% isn't a risk I wanted to take.
  • If I'm drafting a backup for them, I'm just adding to their price tag and I may as well take a more expensive $15M player with more PA instead.
  • .377/.495# with 93 speed hitting leadoff in front of Hornsby and Ruth all game, every game? I'll live with the 150 or so PA I'll never use in exchange for that.
  • I would never take Hamilton in any other league becuase I can't stomach the the waste of PA, but I honestly think he's a bargain for this league.
  • I'm wasting at least $2.7M (150 PA x $18,088 per PA), if not more, on PA won't use but within the confines of this league, even with that waste, it still gives me more overall roster flexibility than drafting a player who's more expensive overall with less PA.
  • B/A in CF is a nice bonus.
  • I've never had luck with the elite Bonds seasons. For me, he never gets close to his AVG# or HR/100# numbers. The walks are always plentiful, but you won't cash in Ruth or Hornsby too many times on a walk. And becuase the other 2 stars will be hitting ahead of him, I think he will get stranded a lot.
  • Of course, after writing all that, Bonds will sweep the MVPs in every league and every World Series winner will have drafted him.
What he said
6/27/2025 10:44 AM
This is where we differ: "If I have to pay for 3 $15M players, they better be able to play all game, every game at 100%, without the need for rest."

My view would be:
1) Bonds will account for a better net run differential in 162 games even if he is slightly fatigued. This wouldn't normally be true in the high-cap leagues Bonds and Hamilton are draftable in, but against ~$30-35k/IP pitching I think it will be.
2) Even if he sits for some games, he'll do more to help you win the games he's in for than a 200k scrub will to make you lose the ones he's sitting for (compared to Hamilton being in all games).

Either or both of those may end up being untrue of course, but that's the bull case for Bonds.
6/27/2025 11:18 AM
Count me on the Bonds side of this argument - and I'm not generally a Bonds guy. Yes, he never hits for the homers expected but his walks and OBP always lead the league. I would rather have him batting lead off (acknowledging he will need a right handed platoon mate) than Hamilton as his OBP will beat him every time. In addition, I went with a homer park to help Hornsby and Ruth (and my other batters) and Bonds will take advantage of that much more than Hamilton.
6/27/2025 12:01 PM
Had deadball pitchers been allowed, I would've probably gone Hamilton over Bonds. But I do think that Bonds (in HR+ home parks) will hit 30-40 HRs.
6/27/2025 1:36 PM
Again, I will note that I chose Hamilton in large part for defense. An B/A centerfielder sandwiched in-between the virtual statues of Ruth and Singleton sounds less dire than a D+/D+ Bonds out there. I can live with the wasted ABs.
6/27/2025 4:07 PM
I got both Hamilton and Bonds.... I didn't want to take Brett cuz he's too low on AB
6/28/2025 10:12 PM
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