Soto surprisingly cheap for all the walks, stolen bases, and PAs. Daylen Lile looks like a fun half-season guy. 11 triples in 350 PAs is damn good

Well this thread has been completely hijacked. I'm telling y'all, ignore the guy. It's Biblical.

Lile does look like a fun platoon player. As a Nats fan, he was one of the few bright spots this season

yeah there are some triples hitters who will normalize very well

Zack McKinstry is a good cheap shortstop option with that speed and triples ability, would be good on a low cap Petco team

As a Blue Jays fan who watched nearly every one of their games this year, these defense ratings are baffling:

INF Ernie Clement led the league in defensive WAR (per Baseball-Reference), yet here he’s given D range at 3B and D- at 1B/2B/SS.

OF Myles Straw finished 6th in defensive WAR, but he’s also tagged with D- range.

I don’t know how WIS is calculating this, but these guys aren’t fire hydrants. They’re quick, mobile defenders.

I think their code looks at putouts and assists per appearance instead of per inning, so someone who moves around positions mid-game or comes in as a defensive replacement gets dinged

Posted by crazystengel on 10/3/2025 10:28:00 AM (view original):

As a Blue Jays fan who watched nearly game this year, a couple of the defense ratings are baffling:

INF Ernie Clement led the league in defensive WAR (per Baseball-Reference), yet here he’s given D range at 3B and D- at 1B/2B/SS.

OF Myles Straw finished 6th in defensive WAR, but he’s also tagged with D- range.

I don’t know how WIS is calculating this, but these guys aren’t fire hydrants. They’re quick, mobile defenders.

THANK YOU. i was going to post something similar from the perspective of a Braves fan. Somehow Nick Allen was also saddled with D- range, and the advanced defensive metrics (OAA, DRS, Fielding Run Value) rate him among the best defensive SS in all of baseball.

Same with Matt Olson - his advanced defensive stats and WAR all agree he's an elite defender at 1B, and yet his SLB 'range' is worse (C+) than Pete Alonso's (B-)!! There is no world in which Pete Alonso's defensive value comes anywhere close to Matt Olson's.

I'll be the first to admit I too have no idea how the sim calculates or accounts for defense, but these ratings are silly. Others have also mentioned Bobby Witt Jr's defensive ratings from 2024. I've no doubt that the undertaking would be incredibly difficult, but it would be nice to see WIS revamp its approach to defense.

Revamp is the WORD!!

I see that they got confused by the Max Muncy problem. He’s appearing on As and Dodgers as partials and combined.

Posted by jballot on 10/3/2025 11:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by crazystengel on 10/3/2025 10:28:00 AM (view original):

As a Blue Jays fan who watched nearly game this year, a couple of the defense ratings are baffling:

INF Ernie Clement led the league in defensive WAR (per Baseball-Reference), yet here he’s given D range at 3B and D- at 1B/2B/SS.

OF Myles Straw finished 6th in defensive WAR, but he’s also tagged with D- range.

I don’t know how WIS is calculating this, but these guys aren’t fire hydrants. They’re quick, mobile defenders.

THANK YOU. i was going to post something similar from the perspective of a Braves fan. Somehow Nick Allen was also saddled with D- range, and the advanced defensive metrics (OAA, DRS, Fielding Run Value) rate him among the best defensive SS in all of baseball.

Same with Matt Olson - his advanced defensive stats and WAR all agree he's an elite defender at 1B, and yet his SLB 'range' is worse (C+) than Pete Alonso's (B-)!! There is no world in which Pete Alonso's defensive value comes anywhere close to Matt Olson's.

I'll be the first to admit I too have no idea how the sim calculates or accounts for defense, but these ratings are silly. Others have also mentioned Bobby Witt Jr's defensive ratings from 2024. I've no doubt that the undertaking would be incredibly difficult, but it would be nice to see WIS revamp its approach to defense.

Mookie Betts leads the NL in fielding WAR but he’s a D range. I also don’t understand this.

Posted by redcped on 10/3/2025 2:07:00 PM (view original):
I see that they got confused by the Max Muncy problem. He’s appearing on As and Dodgers as partials and combined.

And they're both primarily 3B. Just to make it funnier.

Reminds me of the SS Alex Gonzales situation. I never draft either of them in progs because it's too much work to sort them out.

WIS fielding is based on FLD%, and RRF is based on RF/G, instead if RF/9, which penalizes players that play multiple positions or are used as defensive replacements.

defensive WAR (depending on rWAR, fWAR, or WARP) is based on TZ, OAA, RF/9, and/or a combination of those along with IP/pos and TC/A/PO…

they measure different things, though you would hope to see RRF updated to include RF/9 and/or OAA to bring it more in-line and in a way that wouldn’t penalize fielders for swapping positions frequently during games or coming in frequently as a defensive replacement.

Posted by redcped on 10/3/2025 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jballot on 10/3/2025 11:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by crazystengel on 10/3/2025 10:28:00 AM (view original):

As a Blue Jays fan who watched nearly game this year, a couple of the defense ratings are baffling:

INF Ernie Clement led the league in defensive WAR (per Baseball-Reference), yet here he’s given D range at 3B and D- at 1B/2B/SS.

OF Myles Straw finished 6th in defensive WAR, but he’s also tagged with D- range.

I don’t know how WIS is calculating this, but these guys aren’t fire hydrants. They’re quick, mobile defenders.

THANK YOU. i was going to post something similar from the perspective of a Braves fan. Somehow Nick Allen was also saddled with D- range, and the advanced defensive metrics (OAA, DRS, Fielding Run Value) rate him among the best defensive SS in all of baseball.

Same with Matt Olson - his advanced defensive stats and WAR all agree he's an elite defender at 1B, and yet his SLB 'range' is worse (C+) than Pete Alonso's (B-)!! There is no world in which Pete Alonso's defensive value comes anywhere close to Matt Olson's.

I'll be the first to admit I too have no idea how the sim calculates or accounts for defense, but these ratings are silly. Others have also mentioned Bobby Witt Jr's defensive ratings from 2024. I've no doubt that the undertaking would be incredibly difficult, but it would be nice to see WIS revamp its approach to defense.

Mookie Betts leads the NL in fielding WAR but he’s a D range. I also don’t understand this.

There is no way Cal Raleigh is a D arm. He won the Platinum Glove last year!

Posted by Got_Worms on 10/3/2025 6:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by redcped on 10/3/2025 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jballot on 10/3/2025 11:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by crazystengel on 10/3/2025 10:28:00 AM (view original):

As a Blue Jays fan who watched nearly game this year, a couple of the defense ratings are baffling:

INF Ernie Clement led the league in defensive WAR (per Baseball-Reference), yet here he’s given D range at 3B and D- at 1B/2B/SS.

OF Myles Straw finished 6th in defensive WAR, but he’s also tagged with D- range.

I don’t know how WIS is calculating this, but these guys aren’t fire hydrants. They’re quick, mobile defenders.

THANK YOU. i was going to post something similar from the perspective of a Braves fan. Somehow Nick Allen was also saddled with D- range, and the advanced defensive metrics (OAA, DRS, Fielding Run Value) rate him among the best defensive SS in all of baseball.

Same with Matt Olson - his advanced defensive stats and WAR all agree he's an elite defender at 1B, and yet his SLB 'range' is worse (C+) than Pete Alonso's (B-)!! There is no world in which Pete Alonso's defensive value comes anywhere close to Matt Olson's.

I'll be the first to admit I too have no idea how the sim calculates or accounts for defense, but these ratings are silly. Others have also mentioned Bobby Witt Jr's defensive ratings from 2024. I've no doubt that the undertaking would be incredibly difficult, but it would be nice to see WIS revamp its approach to defense.

Mookie Betts leads the NL in fielding WAR but he’s a D range. I also don’t understand this.

There is no way Cal Raleigh is a D arm. He won the Platinum Glove last year!

WIS doesn’t normalize CS% or SB%, so in this larger bases and limited pick-off move world where SB are easier to come by, catchers arms take a ding as it’s based on a historical CS% not a seasonal one, which is why only 8 catchers with more than 400 PA have better than D arms in 2025.

There is a problem with the two Jose Fermin's too.

Posted by just4me on 10/3/2025 9:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Got_Worms on 10/3/2025 6:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by redcped on 10/3/2025 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jballot on 10/3/2025 11:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by crazystengel on 10/3/2025 10:28:00 AM (view original):

As a Blue Jays fan who watched nearly game this year, a couple of the defense ratings are baffling:

INF Ernie Clement led the league in defensive WAR (per Baseball-Reference), yet here he’s given D range at 3B and D- at 1B/2B/SS.

OF Myles Straw finished 6th in defensive WAR, but he’s also tagged with D- range.

I don’t know how WIS is calculating this, but these guys aren’t fire hydrants. They’re quick, mobile defenders.

THANK YOU. i was going to post something similar from the perspective of a Braves fan. Somehow Nick Allen was also saddled with D- range, and the advanced defensive metrics (OAA, DRS, Fielding Run Value) rate him among the best defensive SS in all of baseball.

Same with Matt Olson - his advanced defensive stats and WAR all agree he's an elite defender at 1B, and yet his SLB 'range' is worse (C+) than Pete Alonso's (B-)!! There is no world in which Pete Alonso's defensive value comes anywhere close to Matt Olson's.

I'll be the first to admit I too have no idea how the sim calculates or accounts for defense, but these ratings are silly. Others have also mentioned Bobby Witt Jr's defensive ratings from 2024. I've no doubt that the undertaking would be incredibly difficult, but it would be nice to see WIS revamp its approach to defense.

Mookie Betts leads the NL in fielding WAR but he’s a D range. I also don’t understand this.

There is no way Cal Raleigh is a D arm. He won the Platinum Glove last year!

WIS doesn’t normalize CS% or SB%, so in this larger bases and limited pick-off move world where SB are easier to come by, catchers arms take a ding as it’s based on a historical CS% not a seasonal one, which is why only 8 catchers with more than 400 PA have better than D arms in 2025.

Did you see that pickoff throw last night?! Not a D arm.